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the Auth for biscuits for a visiting MP sits at 1* level
I was expecting the collapse of Western Civilisation around 2025. I shall have to advance my preparations.
MSOCS - a large number of us do appreciate your situation. That's why we PVR'd sometime ago. My sympathies.
Reading the comments of this thread I am having a bit if a chuckle. Akrotiri, part of the RAF ? Late 80s to early 90s an East bound C130, on a Saturday or Sunday, would be obliged to night stop Cairo, as AKR would not offer staging facilities. I never had a problem with it, as a night at the Pyramids was far more interesting than yet another kebab. GW1 woke them up, a bit, but spending six weeks living in a windowless room, that was our store room, when I lived in that block on a tour in 1973, was hard going. Nonetheless, we were on operations and "any port in a storm" was the way it was. No one moaned, we got on with it. I know that this thread is based on media reports, but it seems that some currently serving are happy to fuel the fire of outrage. Modern servicemen have a choice, as they did in my time. Take it, or leave it. At 61 years old, I would give my right arm to support operations from Akrotiri again.
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Fox3...the poster was absolutely correct. Biscuits are verboten these days, at least at the public expense!
I work in another part of government and the fiscal control sare absurd beyond belief. I've given up trying to explain that the control transaction costs exceed the actual costs. I recently had 25 p recovered from my salary because of an arithmetical error in a mobile phone bill.
I work in another part of government and the fiscal control sare absurd beyond belief. I've given up trying to explain that the control transaction costs exceed the actual costs. I recently had 25 p recovered from my salary because of an arithmetical error in a mobile phone bill.
Get Serco to service your jets if the serving ground support can't play at being in the military....
If it was crap when you were in, why would you go back to the same place for crap money and the same crap living conditions when you are out?
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Answer...
1) Like everyone else, I needed a job.
2) Loyalty to be two way. I expected to be well looked after and not shafted. For example, if the contract I signed said I was on AFPS75 I expected to receive AFPS75.
1) Like everyone else, I needed a job.
2) Loyalty to be two way. I expected to be well looked after and not shafted. For example, if the contract I signed said I was on AFPS75 I expected to receive AFPS75.
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Having put Fox3wheresMyBananas last post through my message decoder I'm confused as it just gave me some dribble knocking everything British. I retried it with some of his other posts and I got the same thing. That can't be right can it, all of his posts just knocking everything British?
Maybe we should all join him in the land of milk and honey!
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Maybe we should all join him in the land of milk and honey!
S-D
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1) Being in the Armed Forces isn't just a 'job'
2) Totally agree.
3) (My PoV). At what point did you become disillusioned with the mob? Just before or just after the perks were removed or at the point where you realised you had to work for a living?
Define 'well looked after'. If thats what you wanted, maybe you should have joined the Mafia or a union?
PS Served 30 years and still serving. Still doing Ops cos thats why I joined....rough or smooth. At the point I want a softer, easier life, I'll get out and fly for the airlines.
2) Totally agree.
3) (My PoV). At what point did you become disillusioned with the mob? Just before or just after the perks were removed or at the point where you realised you had to work for a living?
Define 'well looked after'. If thats what you wanted, maybe you should have joined the Mafia or a union?
PS Served 30 years and still serving. Still doing Ops cos thats why I joined....rough or smooth. At the point I want a softer, easier life, I'll get out and fly for the airlines.
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3) (My PoV). At what point did you become disillusioned with the mob? Just before or just after the perks were removed or at the point where you realised you had to work for a living?
S-D (not serving any more and not putting up with the wankers who hold such views)
Well I have less than a year to go now until I am promoted to Mr. Can't wait - very excited. 13 years of COIN have been great, but I have no wish to hang around for the post-HERRICK, post-general election, SDSR-bloodbath that we all know is coming.
And if I get a letter ordering me back for Op Badly Planned War III - I shall join the BNP, smoke drugs and fail the RAFFT while sticking two fingers up to the MOD. Loyalty is a 2-way street.
And if I get a letter ordering me back for Op Badly Planned War III - I shall join the BNP, smoke drugs and fail the RAFFT while sticking two fingers up to the MOD. Loyalty is a 2-way street.
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Absolutely agreed.
Absolutely agreed.
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And if I get a letter ordering me back for Op Badly Planned War III - I shall join the BNP, smoke drugs and fail the RAFFT while sticking two fingers up to the MOD. Loyalty is a 2-way street.
OK, running to the press is bit OTT but servicemen have been bitching for centuries and in the era of social media and instant communication niggles like this are certain to get an airing. The old saying that the military marches on its stomach always holds, ignore it and morale plummets. I have not yet looked at ARRSE to see their comments, but I can just imagine!
wg13_dummy, since you've already opined:
You obviously have your own rather fixed opinion. Hence any debate would be somewhat pointless.
Newsnight was interesting last night, but the interviewees lacked any real commitment to improve or investigate the alleged situation........
Anyway, from the top of ba recruiting himself, they are about to start an expansion programme requiring DE pilots. Those with TRs for Airbus will be eagerly snapped up, so quite how 'manning' will cope with maintaining force strengths in some fleets will be interesting to observe. Whether or not it was in jest, one well-placed source advised me that they were 'bracing themselves for the rush'.....
ba taking DE pilots will mean that other airlines will then be looking to replace those who defect to ba. So it won't be long before the RAF will see a similar mass exodus to that of the 1990s..... When lifestyle as well as Ts and Cs was somewhat better than is reportedly the case these days.
Just think that on the whole, crabs are a bunch of self serving cnuts.
Newsnight was interesting last night, but the interviewees lacked any real commitment to improve or investigate the alleged situation........
Anyway, from the top of ba recruiting himself, they are about to start an expansion programme requiring DE pilots. Those with TRs for Airbus will be eagerly snapped up, so quite how 'manning' will cope with maintaining force strengths in some fleets will be interesting to observe. Whether or not it was in jest, one well-placed source advised me that they were 'bracing themselves for the rush'.....
ba taking DE pilots will mean that other airlines will then be looking to replace those who defect to ba. So it won't be long before the RAF will see a similar mass exodus to that of the 1990s..... When lifestyle as well as Ts and Cs was somewhat better than is reportedly the case these days.
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I've done tours on Chinook and GR4 and have deployed numerous times with both on exercise and ops so have seen both sides of the coin.
I think the issue here is :
1. A lack of Operational focus at Akrotiri.
2. A lack of leadership at Squadron and MOB (at all levels) to sort something out. Let's face it, one of the basics is to ensure people are fed adequately.
That said, I always found that expectations of 'home comforts' was higher on the FJ fleet. Personally, if the accommodation wasn't a tent and I didn't have to cook my own food I considered myself well off.
I think the issue here is :
1. A lack of Operational focus at Akrotiri.
2. A lack of leadership at Squadron and MOB (at all levels) to sort something out. Let's face it, one of the basics is to ensure people are fed adequately.
That said, I always found that expectations of 'home comforts' was higher on the FJ fleet. Personally, if the accommodation wasn't a tent and I didn't have to cook my own food I considered myself well off.
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Just come across this thread...kinda exactly in synch with the other one running re budget cuts and the perfect storm.
mods, perhaps merge them?
Meanwhile...everybody who is serving is going to get shafted the big one and some ppruners hereon are slagging each others outfits...go figure????
mods, perhaps merge them?
Meanwhile...everybody who is serving is going to get shafted the big one and some ppruners hereon are slagging each others outfits...go figure????
In the relative comfort of KKIA during GW1, the RAF's mobile catering folks did a superb job of feeding the five thousand.
Whereas the pongos had far more austere catering arrangements, even though they were co-located. So mediocre were they that the pongo officers actually banned their troops from using the RAF's facilities.
Has the creeping cancer of contractorisation and the introduction of PAY(S) denuded the RAF of its mobile catering capabilities nowadays?
Whereas the pongos had far more austere catering arrangements, even though they were co-located. So mediocre were they that the pongo officers actually banned their troops from using the RAF's facilities.
Has the creeping cancer of contractorisation and the introduction of PAY(S) denuded the RAF of its mobile catering capabilities nowadays?
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Is there anyone reading this thread that thinks it is acceptable for any individual of any service to be expected to work 12+ hour shifts on an enduring basis without access to hot food?