Jaguar Overwing Pylons
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And don't forget they could have gone for the uprated engines offered to the Indians, they trialled them in a RAF jag at Cosford to see if they would fit, I have a picture somewhere.
I couldn't understand why they never put the sidewinders underwing on the Jag as we did in Germany with the Phantom fit, after all it was a tried and tested fit, I cannot see why it wouldn't have been possible to add a carrier between the pylon and the stores.
I couldn't understand why they never put the sidewinders underwing on the Jag as we did in Germany with the Phantom fit, after all it was a tried and tested fit, I cannot see why it wouldn't have been possible to add a carrier between the pylon and the stores.
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Never flew with 102s. Only 104 and 106s. The 106 was quite a step up from the 104 which was itself quite an improvement on its predecessor from what I understand. You can say what you like about the old girl but when it came to cheap bang for your buck it had few equals.
It was II (ac) and 41 Sqns that got the uprated donks first because the recce pod was so heavy/draggy. Never worked on the 106's. I do have fond memories of the Jag. It was only a couple of years old when I worked on them. Makes me feel old now that they have gone. I can still remember the fuel transfer sequence but I can't remember what I had for lunch
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model - thrust
UK
Mk 102 - 5,110 lb (6,930 lb)
Mk 104 - 5,200 lb (7,305 lb)
Mk 106 - 6,000 lb (8,430 lb)
India
Mk 811 - 5,520 lb (8,400 lb)
Upgrade plans (still in process):
Mk 821 - ~6,500 lb (~10,000 lb)
F125IN - 6,250 lb (9,850 lb)
F125IN appears to have been selected, as it is considerably lighter and has better fuel efficiency.
UK
Mk 102 - 5,110 lb (6,930 lb)
Mk 104 - 5,200 lb (7,305 lb)
Mk 106 - 6,000 lb (8,430 lb)
India
Mk 811 - 5,520 lb (8,400 lb)
Upgrade plans (still in process):
Mk 821 - ~6,500 lb (~10,000 lb)
F125IN - 6,250 lb (9,850 lb)
F125IN appears to have been selected, as it is considerably lighter and has better fuel efficiency.
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Does make me laugh when people mention upgrades that are considerably lighter in weight for components.. Great, a lighter engine.. Those lighter engines will require weight being removed from the front end to keep the C of G and MAC within limits.. Or additional ballast at the back.. 
Tailerons?? On a Jaguar.. Please don't dirty the aeroplane with that Tornado terminology. At above 400 Knts, they are tail planes with only pitch control function. Only at lower speed or selected by the pilot can differential movement be applied to the assemblies to produce a roll moment (because the roll spoilers on the Jag are useless at medium angles of attack or low speed). That sub system for roll was called Differential Tail Plane.. Tonka's work at pitch / roll all the time and any speed (spoilers used to enhance low speed manoeuvrability) so are proper Tailerons.
Tailerons?? On a Jaguar.. Please don't dirty the aeroplane with that Tornado terminology. At above 400 Knts, they are tail planes with only pitch control function. Only at lower speed or selected by the pilot can differential movement be applied to the assemblies to produce a roll moment (because the roll spoilers on the Jag are useless at medium angles of attack or low speed). That sub system for roll was called Differential Tail Plane.. Tonka's work at pitch / roll all the time and any speed (spoilers used to enhance low speed manoeuvrability) so are proper Tailerons.
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The old 'Dash 10' ECM pod, worked on those in depth for many, many years on Buccaneer and Jaguar reckon I could still take it apart blindfolded, one of course was fitted to a Vulcan in the early 80's and I was involved in trying one on a Harrier at Boscombe for ground tests. Goodness knows what happened to them all, probably so much scrap metal years ago.
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RAF Cosford give a set away? Unlikely seeing that they will be on somebodies inventory and on the computer system. If they are disposed of, it will be via the DSA to the component dealers. Who will charge a fortune and will not move on the price seeing they may be able to sell them back to the MoD or to India at some point
RAF Cosford give a set away? Unlikely seeing that they will be on somebodies inventory and on the computer system. If they are disposed of, it will be via the DSA to the component dealers. Who will charge a fortune and will not move on the price seeing they may be able to sell them back to the MoD or to India at some point
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Tailerons?? On a Jaguar.. Please don't dirty the aeroplane with that Tornado terminology
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I've just consulted the old log book and 106 crops up a fair few times. Initially I flew it as a Jag96 and then in the upgraded GR3 version. Significantly (for me) it was the last Jag I flew (Sep 2000). I flew it on Op Northern Watch on 31 Aug 00 and then led a pair of Jags in DACT with F15Es on 7 Sep 00. Oh happy days.
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Come on Alber, We've made bigger and better things than than defunct pylons disappear from SEMA/SAMA heh,heh. Allegedly of course......
Well you could make a set of underwing pylons and a centreline disappear for my lot then. I do know where the pylons for Manston came for and it wasn't from the same place as the frame.
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All Finished.
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Excellent work, now all you need is one of these off Ebay to set the scene.... ahhh... they bring back memories of smelly plumbers getting in the way 
Aircraft Bomb Loading Vehicle - 1973 | eBay
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Careful there, Nutty... Smelly Plummers? Maybe... but not as smelly as Sooties... 'specially on Buccs!
Mind you, that Plummers Taxi brings back memories! 'V' Loader. Not as good as the Jammer 4B but better than a Wendy!
Numbers of Plummers on a Jammer? We managed the entire Weapon Prep crew in the Dump at Coningsby and that included the 'Ready Use' lot...
Happy Daze... as long as the WO Man didn't catch you playing footie behind Bldg 12.
Just read on the auction site that this 'V' was the prototype. If so, we had it in the Dump at Coningsby for trials - 1974 ish... The boom didn't go high enough compared to the Jammer, and the forward travel on the load head wasn't enough either. Told and showed the 'project team' and AirLog what was required but nothing changed.
Mind you, that Plummers Taxi brings back memories! 'V' Loader. Not as good as the Jammer 4B but better than a Wendy!
Numbers of Plummers on a Jammer? We managed the entire Weapon Prep crew in the Dump at Coningsby and that included the 'Ready Use' lot...
Happy Daze... as long as the WO Man didn't catch you playing footie behind Bldg 12.
Just read on the auction site that this 'V' was the prototype. If so, we had it in the Dump at Coningsby for trials - 1974 ish... The boom didn't go high enough compared to the Jammer, and the forward travel on the load head wasn't enough either. Told and showed the 'project team' and AirLog what was required but nothing changed.
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What they have done in saving her and presenting her is stunning, I cannot believe you are being so negative.. Kudos fire3
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Hi fire3
I was wondering if the refuelling probe is deliberately out or stuck out? The one on my Jag cockpit was stuck out but I managed to tap into the hydraulic lines and 'unlock' it with a hand operated power pack. It didn't take long.
Paul
I was wondering if the refuelling probe is deliberately out or stuck out? The one on my Jag cockpit was stuck out but I managed to tap into the hydraulic lines and 'unlock' it with a hand operated power pack. It didn't take long.
Paul
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Fire3 ...
Congratulations to you and the Team at Manston
In other news ...
Look what's turned up just down the coast at Shoreham over the Summer ...
Image Credit : Self
Congratulations to you and the Team at Manston
In other news ...
Look what's turned up just down the coast at Shoreham over the Summer ...
Image Credit : Self
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What they have done in saving her and presenting her is stunning, I cannot believe you are being so negative
