Veterans planning to leave Scotland in the event of a yes vote?
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biggus your getting wound up by a standard cybernats tactic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjMnPK3hCOU
This will allow you to spot the more obvious ones.
They have moved on from when this video was made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjMnPK3hCOU
This will allow you to spot the more obvious ones.
They have moved on from when this video was made.
If that's aimed at me MJ, you should know that I'm most definitely not a 'cybernat'. Although I understand why many in Scotland would like independence, personally I would be sad to see the end of the UK (and like others, more than a little worried as to what it might mean for me financially).
Dont confuse disagreeing with trolling.
Dont confuse disagreeing with trolling.
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Anti-English sentiment in Scotland.....now that is a really new situation isn't it?
It is not like you two groups have not had at each other in past years or anything.
It is not like you two groups have not had at each other in past years or anything.
Works both ways Bob - when I moved to England in 1965 my introduction to the english education system was an interview with the fat slob of a headmaster at my new school - his opening line was ''I hate effing Jocks''...
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You seriously believe that civil war and massacres will follow a yes vote
To be clear...
My posts are apolitical. I don't care about the outcome of the referendum and I don't consider it my business. It is referendum about national identity and therefore a matter for the ethnic jocks. I have a vote (I reside in Scotland) but I will not use (that is my democratic choice yes) and I will except the democratic outcome...because that is what democrats do.
My point is about human behaviour...and btw, nobody has to leave anywhere...it's a matter of nationality, residence and tax domicile. I can stay up here as an ex-pat, and except whatever tax arrangements come to be.
At the moment, we are all British (check your passport). Assuming a yes vote (to close to call now) sometime around March 2016, we will all become something else, because Great Britain will cease to exist and morph in something else (for the semantics who need a label, I suspect and believe, us Brits will just stay the same - British - and the jocks will become Scottish.
But here is the key point...both "nations" are and will remain democratic and therefore in the gap between Sept 2014 and Mar 2016 all those of wealth and means (ie all those who are free chose) can pick their future nationality with complete freedom of action. I am guaranteed right of Scottishness if I wish (it's already legislated for). Much as I like Munro's, 16 year old Lagavulin and Haggis, there is no chance I be buying a kilt. Not because I'm ethnically English, but because I've no wish to live in the socialist nation i think Scotland could become (note...not WILL....COULD...I'm not willing to take the risk).
I suspect many a like-minded wealthy jock will be having the same thoughts. And comparing it with an election is way off. This thing is way bigger than a mere election.
Your post Old Fat One
To what exactly then were you referring when you talked about the aftermath of the Irish and Indian independence votes, if not civil war and massacres?
You need to go and research the Irish Free state and/or Indian Independence it you want to find out the sorts of things that WILL occur.
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My (non-British) wife asked two questions which I couldn't answer.
1. What are the Government afraid of, which is getting them in such a tizzy?
2. What hold have the Scots got over the Government that leads to said tizzy?
They already get more money spent on them per head than any other region in UK, and have control over a lot of spending (free prescriptions, no tuition fees, etc), and in the event of a "No" vote are promised even more. Seems Salmond might get the "devo-max" he wanted as an option on the ballot anyway. Simple question...why?
1. What are the Government afraid of, which is getting them in such a tizzy?
2. What hold have the Scots got over the Government that leads to said tizzy?
They already get more money spent on them per head than any other region in UK, and have control over a lot of spending (free prescriptions, no tuition fees, etc), and in the event of a "No" vote are promised even more. Seems Salmond might get the "devo-max" he wanted as an option on the ballot anyway. Simple question...why?
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I was talking about the formation of new countries, the rights of citizenship and the transfer of wealth. Primarily however, I am making two points...
Facing new opportunities, human beings will behave in unexpected ways.
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If the UK splits in to two countries, wealthy people (and by this I include anybody of means to upsticks and move) will go the country where their wealth cna best be protected and/or matured.
My reason for mentioning those two examples was by way of demonstrating that this event is nothing like a general election...I would have that would be obvious to all.
Facing new opportunities, human beings will behave in unexpected ways.
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If the UK splits in to two countries, wealthy people (and by this I include anybody of means to upsticks and move) will go the country where their wealth cna best be protected and/or matured.
My reason for mentioning those two examples was by way of demonstrating that this event is nothing like a general election...I would have that would be obvious to all.
Well Old Fat One, maybe it was you using an example of two of the most traumatic and violent independence processes of recent decades that threw me.
You could, of course have cited far more harmonious splits, such as Australia, Canada, etc, but then I don't suppose they would have suited your doom and gloom agenda.
As for you saying;
Your following comment that
Suggests you care more than you're letting on...
You could, of course have cited far more harmonious splits, such as Australia, Canada, etc, but then I don't suppose they would have suited your doom and gloom agenda.
As for you saying;
To be clear...
My posts are apolitical. I don't care about the outcome of the referendum...
My posts are apolitical. I don't care about the outcome of the referendum...
I've no wish to live in the socialist nation i think Scotland could become (note...not WILL....COULD...I'm not willing to take the risk).
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''I hate effing Jocks''
Our Staffy's reply of "well it looks like your mum didn't mind them ginger bollocks err Sir." He claims he never spotted the crown wrist strap until after he said it. And it was a bit rude to just walk up and utter such a nasty thing without introducing yourself.
Really did cement the working relationship. Thankfully there 2ic was a fully paid up member of the porridge wog in an English Regiment club and managed to keep us away from his evil mits for the 3 weeks.
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MelmothW, Canada harmonius split? You jest of course, or have not read our past and recent histories, but then what would I know, I only live here, that dead body in the trunk of a car two streets away from our house was not really one of our most popular and progresive cabinet members, must have been a plant by the Federal Government! If you must make statements about us, for Petes sake get you facts right! And by the way, Quebec has still not signed Meech Lake .
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I have to admit I have finally agreed with one thing Salmond said, and that is he thinks the MP's are running scared with all this winching the Scottish Satire up on all public buildings and promising the bribes over extra devolution.
Personally if they vote no, I would close their assembly, sack the lot of them and devolve power back to Westminster, after all they would have voted to stay as part of the UK.
Personally if they vote no, I would close their assembly, sack the lot of them and devolve power back to Westminster, after all they would have voted to stay as part of the UK.
Hello again Clunk. You'll have to forgive me, as the history of Canada didn't feature too highly on the National Curriculum when I was going to school. If truth be told, I don't really care about the history of Canada and was only using it as an example of an independence process that did not result in carnage and bloodshed.
If, as you suggest, this is not the case then I will apologise again and be sure to read up on the Canadian Civil War and post-independence massacres.
No doubt my comparison with Australia was erroneous too, and someone will shortly be on here to inform me of the great Australian genocide that followed that country's separation from Britain.
BTW, sorry to hear about the dead body in the trunk of the car near your home. Fascinating story, though no idea what it has to do with Canadian independence from Britain.
If, as you suggest, this is not the case then I will apologise again and be sure to read up on the Canadian Civil War and post-independence massacres.
No doubt my comparison with Australia was erroneous too, and someone will shortly be on here to inform me of the great Australian genocide that followed that country's separation from Britain.
BTW, sorry to hear about the dead body in the trunk of the car near your home. Fascinating story, though no idea what it has to do with Canadian independence from Britain.
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Melmothw, It seems your mind is made up and you dont want the facts if they dont agree with your restricted view of our nation. The body in the trunk was that of Pierre Laport, certainly one of our best senior politicians to come along post war,{ choked to death by his own religious neck chain} and by the way, Mr Cross, the UK Trade Envoy ,was kidnapped and held by the FLQ , his life was only saved by the Federall Government alowing these scum scum safe passage to Cuba, judging by the hooligans behavior north of the border its more than posible that similar events will indeed take place, it never ceases to amaze me how little some in the UK know about the rest of the world, maybe too much reading of the tabloids and watching Coronation Street is considered enough education for the "Great Unwashed". We have had troops in our streets twice in my lifetime, there is a good chance it will happen in Scotland if the Soccer Hooligans have any say in the matter, having visited Croydon after your last little fracus it seems more than possible such stupidity as we have seen in Canada, may indeed take place in your back yard, lets hope not.
In the event of a no vote I can see some quite nasty civil unrest.
Around Glasgow you will find few 'no' posters in windows as they tend to attract boots, dog crap or bricks. It's not that there are more 'yes' voters, it's just the upbringing of those who are voting 'yes' is not great.
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Fascinating as your stories are Clunk, I was referring the Canadian cessation from Britain rather than the more recent moves by Quebec to separate from Canada.
Still, I think this thread drift has become too large even by PPRUNE standards, so promise to make no more analogies about Canada...or Quebec.
Still, I think this thread drift has become too large even by PPRUNE standards, so promise to make no more analogies about Canada...or Quebec.
Exactly Leon - the damage is already done - Scotland will never be the same again - and it is not just Glasgow that is suffering !
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I am still called a porridge w*g occasionally but we do not get into fisticuffs LOL
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I am, albeit vicariously, in a similar position to the one in which Courtney Mil finds himself. The memsahib worked for the NHS in Glasgow until the end of 1981 - in other words, before the formation of ScotGov. She now gets her pension paid from Scotland because the responsibility for the NHS in Scotland now lies in Edinburgh.
You can see that we now live in Spain and share Courtney Mil's potential predicament. I don't think that the separatists are going to win the referendum this time and I am supported in this belief by Ladbrokes et al., however I feel that if the unionists don't win by a substantial margin, say 25%, the issue will be revisited in short order. I think that margin will not be easily attainable so, sadly, I feel that Scotland is going to remain riven by this ugliness for some time to come. All of this rancour is destroying the enviable image that Scotland has held in the minds of many around the world for many, many years - which makes me even sadder.
Is there a realistic path for my wife to follow to move her NHS pension so that it remains securely in the Sterling zone, appropriately backed by a lender of last resort?
You can see that we now live in Spain and share Courtney Mil's potential predicament. I don't think that the separatists are going to win the referendum this time and I am supported in this belief by Ladbrokes et al., however I feel that if the unionists don't win by a substantial margin, say 25%, the issue will be revisited in short order. I think that margin will not be easily attainable so, sadly, I feel that Scotland is going to remain riven by this ugliness for some time to come. All of this rancour is destroying the enviable image that Scotland has held in the minds of many around the world for many, many years - which makes me even sadder.
Is there a realistic path for my wife to follow to move her NHS pension so that it remains securely in the Sterling zone, appropriately backed by a lender of last resort?
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Oh dear, mea culpa, I had been reading the thread for so long I had lost track of the fact that it is a Military one and I'm not. Please accept my apologies. I'd still be glad to receive any appropriate advice by PM, if that would be more appropriate and acceptable.