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Was the Lightning really THAT good ?

Old 23rd Sep 2014, 00:25
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These quoted climb rate figures are not from Ground Level to Top of Climb, as the speed would not be constant.

I believe the Lightning's initial Climb Rate, that I've usually seen quoted; was 52,000 ft per minute, but that would obvisously decline at some point!

Anyone got a figure for Typhoon?
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 01:33
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The F-104 set a few records as well.....but no mention of a Whicker Chair.

F-104 records - International F-104 Society
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 02:11
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Lightning T5 XS458

I thought some might like this video of the Lightning T5 at Cranfield:

Very nice 92 Sqn paint scheme on the LHS - unfortunately the RHS is painted as 111 Sqn !
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 07:50
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but no mention of a Whicker Chair.

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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 09:23
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The 92 Sqn colour scheme looks nice, but 92 never operated the TMk5!
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 10:28
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Glad to see we are getting back on topic 1.3 instead of being side tracked by navigators and wicker chairs!

Personally I like the idea of having the aircraft with two squadron colours especially as they are 111 and 92! Not a problem for me that 92 operated the T4
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 11:02
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Lightning ROC

I have seen a signed certificate (from the TP who flew the aircraft) suggesting that a Lightning F1 went from brakes off to 36000 in approx. 3 min 30s.

Whilst regaling this tale to a party of visitors at a well known aviation museum, one of them piped up along the lines of 'yes, but that's in dry power, in full reheat its more like 90s'.

When acknowledging the gentleman's contribution to the tour, I asked him how he knew those figures.

'Because I did it myself in that aircraft'.

Horses mouth then.
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Old 23rd Sep 2014, 11:30
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I agree! It would be even nicer to see one in the air again - dream, dream.....
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Old 23rd Mar 2015, 22:27
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Clearing out the in-laws' attic, I came across a Telegraph Weekend magazine from 10th September 1965 with an article on the Lightning:

There were some other pictures in the article, but not great quality for copying. It was a 25th anniversary of the BoB edition and also had an article written by Oliver Stewart, a WW1 fighter pilot, about tactics in that war.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 02:20
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The Brits always wax lyrically about everything they've ever made. If it was good, then they rabbit on about how many decades ahead of the American stuff it was, if it was crap they rabbit on about how brave the crews were for flying into battle with so little chance of coming back.
And best of all if they re engined it, a la F4 Phantom, they wax on lyrically about what a complete dog it was before they got hold of it......................

Always makes for interesting discussion.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 03:34
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Was the Lightning really THAT good ?

All I can add to your post is to say that America was a damn fine place...
...until we gave it away.
I'm assuming you're American of course.
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 05:05
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Who reengined the P-51?! Oh yes! It was the English, turned an average aircraft into something special....
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 09:08
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I still have a copy of that DT somewhere: came out as we were in our Senior Entry term at Cranditz
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Old 24th Mar 2015, 22:34
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Who reengined the P-51?! Oh yes! It was the English
And the Apache.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 01:03
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Just out of interest, did Lightning ever participate in Red Flag or similar exercises?

If so, how did it perform?
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 10:38
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It was the English
Or was it the British? There is a difference, you know?
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 10:52
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topgas: Thank you for posting that article. I remember studying it for all its worth the weekend it was published (nigh on 50 years ago )
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 11:25
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At least the Americans remember to build aircraft with fuel tanks.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 13:43
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A bit cranky today, Anotherday?

Two interesting things about the Lightning: it busts the popular myth that nobody could design a practical supersonic fighter before Whitcomb defined the area rule, and (combined with its missiles) it was designed to destroy its target before the bomber could release a nuke, without using a nuclear warhead of its own.
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Old 25th Mar 2015, 13:59
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I agree with the Brits always waxing lyrical. We're that small we have to cos no other sod will. Always have at the back of my mind the definition of 'Engineer.' It's a person 'Who for half a crown will make something any b****r can make for a fiver.' I remember as a child seeing my first English Electric P1 which made its mark on me. The sheer power and noise was something else. Went to visit a pal on the other side of the fence at Binbrook about 18 years ago and it was so quiet and ghostly.
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