National Identity Cards
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Pretty well agree with everything ex-Ascoteer said.
The Police don't need additional powers, and would be well put to enforce correctly the ones they already have. If a street cop cant spot your average wrong-un face to face without having to ask for an ID card then they should give up.Magistrates and Judges to sentence appropriately and the Prison Service to house and punish the wrongdoer accordingly. Politicians to stay away. Its not rocket science.
I for one would hate to have to carry a card and produce it for scrutiny like an animal having his tags checked at a market.
The Police don't need additional powers, and would be well put to enforce correctly the ones they already have. If a street cop cant spot your average wrong-un face to face without having to ask for an ID card then they should give up.Magistrates and Judges to sentence appropriately and the Prison Service to house and punish the wrongdoer accordingly. Politicians to stay away. Its not rocket science.
I for one would hate to have to carry a card and produce it for scrutiny like an animal having his tags checked at a market.
Originally Posted by Hangarshuffle
If a street cop cant spot your average wrong-un face to face without having to ask for an ID card then they should give up.
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Courtney. Without wishing to sound too hackneyed, it's a feeling. A sixth sense. I don't know where it comes from but You do develop a sense for who needs further investigation.
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I never found a 1250 to be an imposition, but the ID chipping could be an interesting avenue worth contemplating - after all my cat was returned after some well meaning soul had spotted it prowling the countryside ( I live on a farm!) and took it to a vet in town 5 miles away. I would like to see what objections there could be.
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What is the point at any real attempt at "national security" as long as you have an open-door policy on immigration, virtually NO checks. Add to which aging hippies spewing 1960s liberal crap?
We need a new watershed. Back to sanity.
Don't be afraid of liberal insults. "Racist," "sexist," et al (yawn yawn) Just laugh at them and they cease to have any sanction over you.
Simple.
We need a new watershed. Back to sanity.
Don't be afraid of liberal insults. "Racist," "sexist," et al (yawn yawn) Just laugh at them and they cease to have any sanction over you.
Simple.
ExAscoteer
I didn't miss your point. You choose to drive so have paid for a licence and you choose to travel overseas and have paid for a passport. My argument is that you don't have to do either of those. And if you don't then you don't have any photo ID whatsoever. But don't worry, a utility bill or two will suffice. In a similar way I pay for NHS dental care but choose to go private. I don't get a tax refund because of it.
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Not what I said but thank you for letting me know that I was missing my own point! I do so love people telling me what I think 
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Let's make it even simpler - an illegal immigrant cannot get a UK National ID card because.....he's an illegal immigrant. They aren't issued at Dover, Heathrow or wherever. Therefore a key indicator to being an illegal immigrant is not having an ID card (remember, I also said that they tend to ditch their own passports, ID etc before they get here....). There will be plenty of legal immigrants entitled to a UK National ID Card (I'm sure many expats have a National ID card of their country of residence) who have right of residence. I have no problem with that.
I didn't miss your point. You choose to drive so have paid for a licence and you choose to travel overseas and have paid for a passport. My argument is that you don't have to do either of those. And if you don't then you don't have any photo ID whatsoever. But don't worry, a utility bill or two will suffice. In a similar way I pay for NHS dental care but choose to go private. I don't get a tax refund because of it.
NutLoose
you are saying is we should now give everyone in the UK a ID card because that way when Johnny Illegal puts his Country on it you then can deport him?
Not what I said but thank you for letting me know that I was missing my own point! I do so love people telling me what I think .Let's make it even simpler - an illegal immigrant cannot get a UK National ID card because.....he's an illegal immigrant. They aren't issued at Dover, Heathrow or wherever. Therefore a key indicator to being an illegal immigrant is not having an ID card (remember, I also said that they tend to ditch their own passports, ID etc before they get here....). There will be plenty of legal immigrants entitled to a UK National ID Card (I'm sure many expats have a National ID card of their country of residence) who have right of residence. I have no problem with that.
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Go you! I'm sure you would have got on well in the Pleiocene.
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So you think it's OK to routinely discriminate against members of society do you Stendec?
The world is truly screwed.
So yes, it is OK in some instances to discriminate.
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Now what?
The government either won't (because fluffy kittens) or can't (because Joe has no ID, so no other country will take him) deport him. So what benefit would this provide to compensate for the substantial cost imposed on British citizens?
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I was required by the insurers to get various documents including proof of identity for my tenants in respect of my landlord's insurance policy.
One tenant had no passport and no driving licence, nothing unusual about that. I doubt if she's been further than 50 miles from where she was born, in fact make that 10. No library card, I doubt if she's read a book in her life unless Hello magazine counts). She has an NI number but there's no associated card that proves identity.
I emailed the woman from the insurer, and explained this to her. She's Polish, and replied as follows :
"It seems very unusual that in 21st century where we now are, some person can exist without any photographic identity document for their whole life."
I emailed back and said strange it may seem but that's how it is. There should be ID cards.
One tenant had no passport and no driving licence, nothing unusual about that. I doubt if she's been further than 50 miles from where she was born, in fact make that 10. No library card, I doubt if she's read a book in her life unless Hello magazine counts). She has an NI number but there's no associated card that proves identity.
I emailed the woman from the insurer, and explained this to her. She's Polish, and replied as follows :
"It seems very unusual that in 21st century where we now are, some person can exist without any photographic identity document for their whole life."
I emailed back and said strange it may seem but that's how it is. There should be ID cards.
This is a timely report for those that keep shouting 'racist!' It chimes rather well with 500N's post.
And no, I'm not one.
From sex abuse gangs to jihadis, the State's fear of seeming 'racist' is letting evil thrive, writes MANZOOR MOGHAL | Mail Online
And no, I'm not one.
From sex abuse gangs to jihadis, the State's fear of seeming 'racist' is letting evil thrive, writes MANZOOR MOGHAL | Mail Online
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I flew to Dublin on business a couple of days ago and had to stand in line to have my passport checked as I entered the Republic. On return to Bristol airport there were no checks of passports whatsoever - I could have been anyone walking through the EU Residents only gate!
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I know various people will or have labelled me as a right wing racist from my posts, having come from a very WASP lifestyle in the UK to spending 30 + years in a very very multi cultural and "mostly" well integrated society,
it is eye opening to see what goes on.
To an extent, the same thing happens here as well, although they tend
now to jump on these issues - like under age and forced marriages !
it is eye opening to see what goes on.
To an extent, the same thing happens here as well, although they tend
now to jump on these issues - like under age and forced marriages !
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ExAscoteer.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have never discriminated ("routinely" or otherwise) against anyone on the grounds of race, gender etc. Indeed, I am so non-sexist, for example, that I even MARRIED an actual woman.
What I was saying was that there are people of nefarious intent, that USE the racist label to effectively silence people whose views they groove not upon/to close down debates they would rather never took place (immigration, EU, law and order etc).
By simply laughing at them (exercising a part of your freedom that many died to defend) instead of the usual Pavlovian response of terror and denial, you rob them of that sanction. The debate goes on. Democracy lives. They didn't die in vain.
I'm sure Churchill would have had a suitable quote for all this. Ahh Winnie.
Would that you (or an equivalent) were here.
Sorry to disappoint you but I have never discriminated ("routinely" or otherwise) against anyone on the grounds of race, gender etc. Indeed, I am so non-sexist, for example, that I even MARRIED an actual woman.
What I was saying was that there are people of nefarious intent, that USE the racist label to effectively silence people whose views they groove not upon/to close down debates they would rather never took place (immigration, EU, law and order etc).
By simply laughing at them (exercising a part of your freedom that many died to defend) instead of the usual Pavlovian response of terror and denial, you rob them of that sanction. The debate goes on. Democracy lives. They didn't die in vain.
I'm sure Churchill would have had a suitable quote for all this. Ahh Winnie.
Would that you (or an equivalent) were here.
