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I'll just let you read this, whilst I keep stocking my bunker!
Malaysian Plane 'Shot Down With 295 On Board'
Malaysian Plane 'Shot Down With 295 On Board'
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tragic....Someone got a grab of the screen where the Ukrainian separatists in the East claimed responsibility
https://mobile.twitter.com/StateOfUk...212480/photo/1
A post from one of the passengers prior to boarding apparently
"Should it dissappear.. this is what it looks like".
http://m.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/tec...oto-voor-crash
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Mountains of sadness, looks like a tragic mistake. 
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Some of the early news reporting suggested it was brought down by a Buk surface to air missile system.
In old money, that's a SA-11, a radar guided system that was originally designed to replace the SA-6. Now, I suppose it is conceivable that elements of the Ukranian military that defected took a system with them, or that the opposition has captured a system from somewhere.
If I were Putin, I'd now being doing all I can to confirm the provenance of whatever system was involved. If it was purely down to Ukranian defectors that's one thing, but if there's any evidence at all of links back to Russia through supply , training, manpower or even as far as radar C2 and cueing, he's going to have a lot of explaining to do.
In old money, that's a SA-11, a radar guided system that was originally designed to replace the SA-6. Now, I suppose it is conceivable that elements of the Ukranian military that defected took a system with them, or that the opposition has captured a system from somewhere.
If I were Putin, I'd now being doing all I can to confirm the provenance of whatever system was involved. If it was purely down to Ukranian defectors that's one thing, but if there's any evidence at all of links back to Russia through supply , training, manpower or even as far as radar C2 and cueing, he's going to have a lot of explaining to do.
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They think there were 23 American citizens on board as well, they are saying the system was possibly captured when they took over some bases, one would have thought they would have tried to disable them.
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I'm reading that the invasion of Gaza on other media, not the DM.
"The prime minister and defence minister have instructed the Israel Defence Forces to begin a ground operation tonight to destroy the terror tunnels dug from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said in a text message.
I'm reading that the invasion of Gaza on other media, not the DM.
"The prime minister and defence minister have instructed the Israel Defence Forces to begin a ground operation tonight to destroy the terror tunnels dug from the Gaza Strip into Israeli territory," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said in a text message.
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Israel is not invading Gaza. Most here are well-read enough not to fall for that sort of Daily Mail headline.
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Video of the plane being hit, and descending. Not an Antonov!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125&comments=1
In some video of the aircraft crashing there is high level stratus, and in some some scattered CB. Of course you only need to go five miles down the road or look in a different direction and hey presto the weather has changed. Thought you might want to take this into account when watching what does look authentic.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ede_1405650125&comments=1
In some video of the aircraft crashing there is high level stratus, and in some some scattered CB. Of course you only need to go five miles down the road or look in a different direction and hey presto the weather has changed. Thought you might want to take this into account when watching what does look authentic.
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We'll CM, Routers reporting tanks are over 10km into gaza (0630). How far in do they have to go before it's an invasion or encroachment (both meaning the same thing in the oxford dictionary).
It looks to me like a land operation with specific tactical objectives. Germany invaded Poland, Argentina invaded The Falklands, Iraq invaded Kuwait. A "cross-border op" is hardly the same thing.
I know all the media folk are using the word and I know we don't always fully understand Israel's longer term objectives, but I rather like Wikipedia's definition:
I know all the media folk are using the word and I know we don't always fully understand Israel's longer term objectives, but I rather like Wikipedia's definition:
The term invasion usually denotes a strategic endeavor of substantial magnitude; because the goals of an invasion are usually large-scale and long-term, a sizeable force is needed to hold territory, and protect the interests of the invading entity. Smaller-scale, tactical cross-border actions, such as skirmishes, sorties, raids, infiltrations, or guerrilla warfare, are not generally considered invasions. A military endeavor to take back territory that is tenuously held by an initial invader during the course of war is instead generally called a counter-offensive.
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"If the folk who launched this missile are Russian backed, this will be the end of Putin I feel"
Tonkin,
Not necessarily. We would all do well to remember that Putin isn't a politician, he's an Intelligence Officer.
And if you think politicians are a bunch of scheming, duplicitous types hell bent on securing their position .....
Tonkin,
Not necessarily. We would all do well to remember that Putin isn't a politician, he's an Intelligence Officer.
And if you think politicians are a bunch of scheming, duplicitous types hell bent on securing their position .....
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It's about time they had the balls to put sanctions on Putin as they have with all his cronies, no travel would be a start..... I would also move the World Cup to a different venue.
I see Russia is setting up its intelligence bases back in Cuba, the trouble is the west just keeps yielding and that is seen as a weakness in Russia, and having Obama does not exactly help..
I see Russia is setting up its intelligence bases back in Cuba, the trouble is the west just keeps yielding and that is seen as a weakness in Russia, and having Obama does not exactly help..