Missing yacht
Looks like opinions are all over the map.
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Mr Cameron is quoted as thanking the USCG for resuming the search.
Some interesting bits from a bit of web trawling ...
You have yours, others have theirs.
Mr Cameron is quoted as thanking the USCG for resuming the search.
Some interesting bits from a bit of web trawling ...
- Veteran yachtsman Tony Bullimore: 'Strong possibility' missing yachtsmen are in life raft Veteran yachtsman Tony Bullimore: 'Strong possibility' yachtsmen are still in life raft - ITV News
- BREAK: HM coastguard "we believe that the US Coast Guard has done all they can to locate the stricken yacht and her crew" #cheekirafiki
- https://twitter.com/itvnews
- HM Coastguard said in a statement it believes its US counterparts have done "all they can" to locate and search for the yacht and her crew "since this sad situation began".
"The Cheeki Rafiki is believed to have run into difficulty approximately 1,000 miles east of Massachusetts, USA. Based on the information provided to us, we believe that the US Coast Guard has done all they can to locate the stricken yacht and her crew," the statement said.
Defence secretary Philip Hammond said there was nothing for British authorities to do in the case of the missing British crew of the Cheeki Rafiki yacht lost since last Friday. "This is in the United States, Canadian air sea rescue area, they are the responsible authority and they have searched it very extensively. The conclusion that they have reached is that there is no hope of rescuing these people now," he said.
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On a tangent. Had this been say the crew of an EA-6 Prowler and it had gone off the bow of a CVN and there were known to be 4 guys in the water - fate unknown. How long would the USN have kept up a SAR effort before saying all hope was gone? Assume same sea temp and air temp, wx etc as in this scenario and assume the location was similar; i.e. a long way from land-based air.......
As a guess I'd say 48 hours. Much the same as here. Sad but true.
MB
As a guess I'd say 48 hours. Much the same as here. Sad but true.
MB
Had this been say the crew of an EA-6 Prowler and it had gone off the bow of a CVN and there were known to be 4 guys in the water - fate unknown.
How long would the USN have kept up a SAR effort before saying all hope was gone?
Assume same sea temp and air temp, wx etc as in this scenario and assume the location was similar; i.e. a long way from land-based air.
As a guess I'd say 48 hours. Much the same as here. Sad but true.
How long would the USN have kept up a SAR effort before saying all hope was gone?
Assume same sea temp and air temp, wx etc as in this scenario and assume the location was similar; i.e. a long way from land-based air.
As a guess I'd say 48 hours. Much the same as here. Sad but true.
The CV has a lot of air assets available to cover the datum with a good coverage factor and revisit time as desired.
The point on hypothermia/exposure I expect is where the two scenarios match up.
And as others have said, treading water in a pair of speedos in those conditions is one thing. Out of the water in an air pocket of an upturned hull is another (i.e, Bullimore) or even in an MS10 lifereaft in an immersion suit.
Lots of questions to be asked on this one. Factoring in time late for start of search, weather conditions, sea state and water movement etc, are the USCG 100% certain that they would not have missed a liferaft between troughs in the area size looked at?
As for the comment:
If he's saying it has nothing to do with the UK because it happened in a US/CAN SAR region, then why did the UK throw assets into the Malaysian airline search!!!
One wonders if the same message would have been pushed out had the UK had a capable long-range fixed wing SAR platform. Or would Cameroon be crowing about how we would re-start the search off our own backs?
Good news though, that the USCG is going to continue.
Lots of questions to be asked on this one. Factoring in time late for start of search, weather conditions, sea state and water movement etc, are the USCG 100% certain that they would not have missed a liferaft between troughs in the area size looked at?
As for the comment:
Defence secretary Philip Hammond said there was nothing for British authorities to do in the case of the missing British crew of the Cheeki Rafiki yacht lost since last Friday. "This is in the United States, Canadian air sea rescue area, they are the responsible authority and they have searched it very extensively. The conclusion that they have reached is that there is no hope of rescuing these people now," he said.
One wonders if the same message would have been pushed out had the UK had a capable long-range fixed wing SAR platform. Or would Cameroon be crowing about how we would re-start the search off our own backs?
Good news though, that the USCG is going to continue.
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"private yachts from around the world are set to descend on the last known location of the 40ft Cheeki Rafiki"
That's good.
Flotilla heading from Antigua !
That's good.
Flotilla heading from Antigua !
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Reminds me of this sad story, we spent a week looking for this missing yacht before the search was called off. No such thing as on line petitions then so the friends and colleagues of these folk clogged up the phone lines of the ARCC etc demanding the search was continued, which it was but without success.
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Glad that the search has been resumed, albeit after a two day break. Hope they find the crew safe and sound in the liferaft
Whatever the outcome I think it was not the coastguard's finest hour.
Whatever the outcome I think it was not the coastguard's finest hour.
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Interesting bit here.
"The spokesman added: "They have assured us that they did everything they could, and would have done exactly the same for US citizens
"This included an air search of over 20 sorties, involving three different aircraft, conducted for twice as long as their standard procedures required, in very difficult and challenging weather conditions."
"The spokesman added: "They have assured us that they did everything they could, and would have done exactly the same for US citizens
"This included an air search of over 20 sorties, involving three different aircraft, conducted for twice as long as their standard procedures required, in very difficult and challenging weather conditions."
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Remember this guy, watched the film about him, they did tests on him at a Royal Navy facility in a freezing water tank against SBS guys etc and he was the last man swimming
Icelandic Seaman Survived After 6 Hours in Ice-Cold Water
Icelandic Seaman Survived After 6 Hours in Ice-Cold Water
Remember this guy, watched the film about him, they did tests on him at a Royal Navy facility in a freezing water tank against SBS guys etc and he was the last man swimming
Icelandic Seaman Survived After 6 Hours in Ice-Cold Water
Icelandic Seaman Survived After 6 Hours in Ice-Cold Water
Lewis Pugh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pugh training in Antarctica in 2005
After 2003 Pugh focused on pioneering swims in the coldest and most hostile waters of the world. All of them were undertaken in accordance with Channel Swimming Association rules, in just a pair of Speedo swimming trunks, cap and goggles. He became the first person to swim around the infamous North Cape, the northernmost point in Europe. The following year he became the first person to swim down the entire length of Sognefjord in Norway, a 204 km (127 mi) swim which took him 21 days to complete.
In 2005 he broke the world record for the farthest-north long-distance swim by undertaking a 1 km (0.62 mi) swim at 80° North around Verlegenhuken, the northern-most cape in Spitsbergen. He followed that five months later by breaking Lynne Cox's world record for the farthest-south long-distance swim by undertaking a 1 km (0.62 mi) swim at 65° South at Petermann Island off the Antarctic Peninsula.
In 2006 Pugh challenged Russia's top cold water swimmers to a 500 metre race at the World Winter Swimming Championships in Finland. He easily won the gold medal, beating Russian Champion Alexander Brylin by over 100 metres and the bronze medalist Nefatov Vladimir by 125 metres.
After 2003 Pugh focused on pioneering swims in the coldest and most hostile waters of the world. All of them were undertaken in accordance with Channel Swimming Association rules, in just a pair of Speedo swimming trunks, cap and goggles. He became the first person to swim around the infamous North Cape, the northernmost point in Europe. The following year he became the first person to swim down the entire length of Sognefjord in Norway, a 204 km (127 mi) swim which took him 21 days to complete.
In 2005 he broke the world record for the farthest-north long-distance swim by undertaking a 1 km (0.62 mi) swim at 80° North around Verlegenhuken, the northern-most cape in Spitsbergen. He followed that five months later by breaking Lynne Cox's world record for the farthest-south long-distance swim by undertaking a 1 km (0.62 mi) swim at 65° South at Petermann Island off the Antarctic Peninsula.
In 2006 Pugh challenged Russia's top cold water swimmers to a 500 metre race at the World Winter Swimming Championships in Finland. He easily won the gold medal, beating Russian Champion Alexander Brylin by over 100 metres and the bronze medalist Nefatov Vladimir by 125 metres.
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How can Bullimore survive days, over 5 in the water near Antarctica and the French yachtsman a good few days in a raft yet the USCG say that these 4 could only have lasted 20 hours in far warmer water ?????
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BBC News - Search under way for fishing boat overdue at Gourdon
Another SAR Op.
Let's hope for good news.
Another SAR Op.
Let's hope for good news.