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UK HELICOPTER DOWN IN AFGHANISTAN

Old 26th Apr 2014, 14:37
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UK HELICOPTER DOWN IN AFGHANISTAN

The MOD can confirm that a UK helicopter crashed in southern Afghanistan today, 26 April 2014.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/m...rn-afghanistan
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 15:03
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Thoughts with the families of those killed in the crash.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 15:24
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From the website link, a cue for the previous poster, who may be hard of thinking:

"The incident is under investigation and it would be inappropriate to comment further until families have been notified."

Thoughts go to those involved.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 15:39
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Thoughts with the families and the guys at this time.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 15:40
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Well said nice castle.

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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:09
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Terrible news indeed. Thoughts with the families and friends.

Lewis, I echo nice castle's point. Unless that information is in the public domain you'd do well to keep your trap shut whether you're right or not. You may not be aware but there are processes and protocols for these awful things and these are other peoples' lives. Your ill-judged comment may have sent quite a few more people running for the telephone.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:10
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Your inappropriate and untimely post has to be one of the most thoughtless and insensitive I have ever seen on this site.

AFAIK the KINFORMING process is incomplete and yet you have announced a unit to the world via the many journos who follow this forum. "Hard of thinking" doesn't even come close.



Note, BBC website updated with 'believed to be a Lynx' 3 minutes after your post appeared. Enough said.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:18
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UK HELICOPTER DOWN IN AFGHANISTAN

RIP - Devastated for your families.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:30
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BBC Trap Shut Too

Who told the BBC what it was 'believed to be!' Either they are just as bad as others for ill timed comment or speculation or someone close to the details has said too much too soon. MOD shouldn't comment on anything until process is complete - just shows how much the press will push to say something when saying nothing is the default position as a mark of respect.

If it was MOD then someone needs a good kicking.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:32
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Msoc, the original poster has rightly deleted the post, one would suggest you remove the type also until those that may get some lousy news have been informed..
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:35
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MSOCS

I know, hence my use of 'a unit' not 'the unit'. I agree it should not have been mentioned!

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BBC will probably have got the Lynx line from this thread (the update was within 3 mins of the post in question. They will definitely not have got the info from MOD, which has hard rules on what can and can't be released.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:40
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Sky News just speculated the same
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 16:43
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Nut loose, my post stands. It would do well to educate a few types who haunt these forums to let the military get on with their jobs and not 'stick their oar in' because they have a few contacts on the inside. However, what's done is done. I can only hope that the kin informing process was complete before any friends or family read Gaylard's post.

Enough.

Once again, my sincere thoughts with the families and loved ones of those lost today. RIP.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:11
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Journalistic Licence

Of course ' journalistic licence = fact from speculation' and Mr Beaver seems to be adding additional information of his own.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:12
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Nothing to say, so will move myself along.

Paul Beaver I believe has a TA (Lt Col?) role within AAC/JHC and is probably fully briefed and media savvy as one can be given that the probably as we all know that sadly the news may have to be broken ahead of families in this situation for factors we are unaware of at the moment. Maybe despite the best will and policies in the world some cannot help themselves but jump on social media (not just UK personnel based in Afg, but international forces/civvie contractors), or even the local population (majority with mobile phones and sufficient mobile coverage in the bundu) get the information to those that would seek to use it for their own purposes. Of course, if it is later discovered that it is an ill informed over zealous MoD duty officer then I am sure that there will be a follow up review.

It would be nice though if the BBC Defence correspondent Mr Beale could at least advise his news team that the picture being used on his BBC website covering his 'breaking' story was a Merlin.

But then again who cares, it is all still speculation until a Service Inquiry report and on the scale, a picture doesn't register at all.

Sad news.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:26
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Dear all.
I sincerely apologise for my unusual lack of tact in this matter.


It certainly was not my intention to upset or distress anyone on here and I didn't appreciate that family members may well be looking on this site for info.


I was just trying to be helpful passing on what I was told.


Once again I am sincerely sorry for any upset caused.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:35
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MaroonMan4,

That pic is actually a Puma (looks like a Super Puma actually with the stabiliser fin under the tail boom)...

Either way, yet another episode of the BBC using completely inappropriate pictures.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:46
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Beaver is no longer serving in any shape, manner or form.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 17:52
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Gaylard, I don't know you, or whether you're still serving, but if so, get some education by attending a PCMIO course. Thanks for deleting your earlier post. Well done for making an upfront apology rather than trying to justify yourself. Never do that again please.
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Whatever mistakes have been made, our thoughts should be with all families who have loved ones serving in theatre at this time. It's sickening watching the press, particularly the BBC News 24/Sky News types battling to release speculation as "breaking news", perhaps we should all consider complaining about their unjustified haste, without formal confirmation. To me its sickening that the media in General would rather push out speculation and be wrong, than wait for the facts, and then report that correctly. It's especially egregious when done by the BBC. Of course none of this will console the next of kin when the official announcement is made, I for one offer my sincere condolences.

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