Russia beating up USA warship
Eglin is,hundred of miles away on the panhandle of Florida.
Edited to add: Helps if I actually read what's said before commenting. Apologies.
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Seems like for the first time in decades Russian (or before that Soviet) tactical warplanes are getting more real use in the world than American ones.
Ukrainian airforce SU 27 video: Su-27 Fighter Jet Above Kramatorsk Caught On Tape | Zero Hedge
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I don't understand Team America World Police, how they shot down Iran Air Flight 665 in 1988 because they thought it was an Iranian F-14. Yet offer no deterrent to the Russian SU-24 that was doing as it pleases.
Even though it's before my time, I'm told 500ft was considered a high altitude flight for our Banana Jet.
Even though it's before my time, I'm told 500ft was considered a high altitude flight for our Banana Jet.
Suspicion breeds confidence
If it had been a British ship, the conversation would have gone like this.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to take defensive measures. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand to Sea Dart.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to take defensive measures. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand to Sea Dart.
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Ukrainian airforce SU 27 video: Su-27 Fighter Jet Above Kramatorsk Caught On Tape | Zero Hedge
Hmm, not to be nitpicking but considering the planform of the wingtips, the Silhouette of the LERX and the angle and planform of the Tail feathers that definitely looked like a Mig 29 rather than a SU-27.
A retired USN aviator capt commented today on Fox News that the extant international agreement regarding flying near warships specifies a height of 1000 ft parallel to the ship and that in the Cold War days it would have been normal for a diplomatic protest to be filed.
GR4 techie:
Indeed, well-trained Buccaneer crews flew very low over the sea. It's been shown may times before but look at the video below and pause at 2 min 37 sec. The wing is below the top of the side of the hull of a RN Type 42 which I estimate to be 20ft to 30ft above the sea. I'm sure some ex-Buccaneer aircrew on here could comment further / correct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6QckzDpUQ8
Also, in the flyby of the ATC tower at Gibralter in the video, the wings are below the level of the roof of the ground floor roof / VCR interface. Brings back memories of the RAF Laarbruch demonstrations of 16-ship coordinated airfield attacks where some aircraft were below the level of the Bloodhound radar heads (raised on mounds).
GR4 techie:
Indeed, well-trained Buccaneer crews flew very low over the sea. It's been shown may times before but look at the video below and pause at 2 min 37 sec. The wing is below the top of the side of the hull of a RN Type 42 which I estimate to be 20ft to 30ft above the sea. I'm sure some ex-Buccaneer aircrew on here could comment further / correct:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6QckzDpUQ8
Also, in the flyby of the ATC tower at Gibralter in the video, the wings are below the level of the roof of the ground floor roof / VCR interface. Brings back memories of the RAF Laarbruch demonstrations of 16-ship coordinated airfield attacks where some aircraft were below the level of the Bloodhound radar heads (raised on mounds).
So you've met every aviator in the world, and they all speak 'perfect' English!
That's alright then!
I remember many years ago, in the days of TACEVAL, when we were playing the role of the defecting aircraft. We were given a Russian speaker as part of the plan, and the confusion caused when he made all our inbound radio calls in Russian, and 'didn't understand' any of the replies was a cause of considerable amusement - but also an indication of a possible problem if it ever happened for real.
Taking a Spanish speaker along when going out to find a Spanish FV with sick crewman on board was also generally very useful - although why we bothered I don't know, after all, I believe that the international language of the sea is English!
That's alright then!
I remember many years ago, in the days of TACEVAL, when we were playing the role of the defecting aircraft. We were given a Russian speaker as part of the plan, and the confusion caused when he made all our inbound radio calls in Russian, and 'didn't understand' any of the replies was a cause of considerable amusement - but also an indication of a possible problem if it ever happened for real.
Taking a Spanish speaker along when going out to find a Spanish FV with sick crewman on board was also generally very useful - although why we bothered I don't know, after all, I believe that the international language of the sea is English!
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Interesting picture Emel. I see a US soldier giving a drink of water to an Iraqi prisoner. What do you see?
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If it had been a British ship, the conversation would have gone like this.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to take defensive measures. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand to Sea Dart.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to take defensive measures. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand to Sea Dart.
26 years ago,
a different captain,
a different situation (note no surface action to distract the captain in this case)
Captain Rogers' Airbus event became a "lessons learned" training module,
a visual,
INCSEA agreements ...
so no, not the same thing at all.
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@grtechie
A different situation as said by LW is an understatement, suggest you read upon the incident. A typical c0ckup involvin multiple factors.
The Russians are not going to attack a US warship without a real good reason, and every one knows that. If they where in the Gulf and It was Iranian it could be a different story.
A different situation as said by LW is an understatement, suggest you read upon the incident. A typical c0ckup involvin multiple factors.
The Russians are not going to attack a US warship without a real good reason, and every one knows that. If they where in the Gulf and It was Iranian it could be a different story.
Henra,
Agreed. Not familiar with the white radome though...that is something I associate with Su-27s. I associate a neutral grey and dark green as radome colours for Mig-29s. However, a quick google shows that Ukrainian Mig-29s have had white radomes. So maybe this is in fact footage of a Ukrainian Mig-29?
Googled pic.....
Photos: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9-13) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
Agreed. Not familiar with the white radome though...that is something I associate with Su-27s. I associate a neutral grey and dark green as radome colours for Mig-29s. However, a quick google shows that Ukrainian Mig-29s have had white radomes. So maybe this is in fact footage of a Ukrainian Mig-29?
Googled pic.....
Photos: Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 (9-13) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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More like,
If it had been a British ship, the conversation would have gone like this.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to launch a rubber boat full of sailors and get them to surrender. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand too White flag.
Just having a laugh Naval Eye, dont have a coronary.
If it had been a British ship, the conversation would have gone like this.
This is British warship xx (number) to unknown aircraft bearing xyz. If you continue to fly an attack profile I will be forced to launch a rubber boat full of sailors and get them to surrender. this is your final warning..
Then.
Stand too White flag.
Just having a laugh Naval Eye, dont have a coronary.
