SAR Walt?
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No.... I read and had to register on that newspaper to refute some of the SAR communities posts, they were inferring he was an owner of the company. Well done to those who were posting on the local papers replies page that he was the owner, you probably have just destroyed a totally innocent persons livelyhood 
re reading this thread I cannot believe some people even started having a pop at the owner who is totally innocent it this..
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re reading this thread I cannot believe some people even started having a pop at the owner who is totally innocent it this..
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I think I know where you're coming from Nutloose, but most of us have run into 'Walts' - especially in the flying game (God knows why . . .)
But watching that televised interview, I was smelling rats from not far in - especially when someone gets the four Survival priorities wrong or paraphrases them incorrectly.
It was drummed into us Protection, Location, Water and Food and changed slightly for combat situations which most certainly don't apply here. You didn't THINK about this, it just came out - or rather didn't in this guy's case.
My question of this organisation, and perhaps it's a little sharp, is:
'What value was this commercial training if the guy is not trotting out the answers in accordance with HIS training?' We may scoff about military training from time to time, but it was excellent in the main. Surely, paying customers require principles which have been 'honed' over decades.
We also don't know what state the business was in prior to this debacle - so blaming the folks on this site for a bit of righteous indignation (generated by all Walts) is in its turn a bit OTT.
Here endeth this afternoon's lesson (you can tell I've retired).
But watching that televised interview, I was smelling rats from not far in - especially when someone gets the four Survival priorities wrong or paraphrases them incorrectly.
It was drummed into us Protection, Location, Water and Food and changed slightly for combat situations which most certainly don't apply here. You didn't THINK about this, it just came out - or rather didn't in this guy's case.
My question of this organisation, and perhaps it's a little sharp, is:
'What value was this commercial training if the guy is not trotting out the answers in accordance with HIS training?' We may scoff about military training from time to time, but it was excellent in the main. Surely, paying customers require principles which have been 'honed' over decades.
We also don't know what state the business was in prior to this debacle - so blaming the folks on this site for a bit of righteous indignation (generated by all Walts) is in its turn a bit OTT.
Here endeth this afternoon's lesson (you can tell I've retired).
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You are missing the point, the person in question WAS not the walt, BUT has or is in the process of seeing his business and livelihood destroyed because of this.. and some of the posts on here were to put it politely in my view offensive to the owner, whom has done nothing wrong but to employ someone recommended to him...
Agree with nutloose,
I can't help feeling sorry for the business owner; he seems to be completely blameless and employed an ex-military guy on the recommendation of someone he trusted.
Et voila - 14 years hard work down the dunny.
Walts deserve outing; but there needs to be robust ROE on the fire directed at them.
There is a great deal of effort, time and personal credibility put into extolling the advantages of employing former servicemen/women in what can be a challenging marketplace. People like this undermine that work, but equally, so does forcing an innocent man and his business out of operation.
I can't help feeling sorry for the business owner; he seems to be completely blameless and employed an ex-military guy on the recommendation of someone he trusted.
Et voila - 14 years hard work down the dunny.
Walts deserve outing; but there needs to be robust ROE on the fire directed at them.
There is a great deal of effort, time and personal credibility put into extolling the advantages of employing former servicemen/women in what can be a challenging marketplace. People like this undermine that work, but equally, so does forcing an innocent man and his business out of operation.
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I would also add please avoid visiting the newspaper page, as that is artificially keeping it at the top of the read pages, thus inflicting further damage on his company.
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Ah.....the old engage brain before opening gob, or keyboard.
To think, some of the aforementioned posters were once gung ho themselves, so THEY say.
Roll on the next WALT rant, eh chaps.
To think, some of the aforementioned posters were once gung ho themselves, so THEY say.
Roll on the next WALT rant, eh chaps.
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How come no walts want to be a fitter on Tornado?
The only survival course I've recieved in my career is how to avoid your blob from getting killed and moved back to base, in a game of Uckers. On one det, we checked into a hotel that was only 4 star, that was a hard survival situation. Never had to eat twigs and berries with a large machete though. Instead of making a fire with 2 sticks and a rabbits foot, I've a camping stove you can borrow.
The only survival course I've recieved in my career is how to avoid your blob from getting killed and moved back to base, in a game of Uckers. On one det, we checked into a hotel that was only 4 star, that was a hard survival situation. Never had to eat twigs and berries with a large machete though. Instead of making a fire with 2 sticks and a rabbits foot, I've a camping stove you can borrow.
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If mixi-blobs are allowed, it's easy, Techie! Just don't get a syph on yer donk!
Seriously, I can't see why Les should decide to close down. The vast majority of folk booking onto his courses won't have heard of the issue and lots of those that have probably won't care. Unless Les has other strings to his bow that he wishes to turn to, I say crack on.
Seriously, I can't see why Les should decide to close down. The vast majority of folk booking onto his courses won't have heard of the issue and lots of those that have probably won't care. Unless Les has other strings to his bow that he wishes to turn to, I say crack on.
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I do feel for Les here.
He was bigging up mr Day in the vid as having been there and done it, while being humble himself.
As per above he could simply change the schools name and carry on.
A large majority of outdoor customers couldn't care less if the instructor is ex military as it has virtually no bearing on what is taught/want they want to do.
The fact that Mr Day may not have been the genuine article and no one noticed only reinforces that.
He was bigging up mr Day in the vid as having been there and done it, while being humble himself.
As per above he could simply change the schools name and carry on.
A large majority of outdoor customers couldn't care less if the instructor is ex military as it has virtually no bearing on what is taught/want they want to do.
The fact that Mr Day may not have been the genuine article and no one noticed only reinforces that.
Do I really believe that a few snipes by anonymous posters has sunk the business? Nope.
The majority of attendees for these types of courses will be Stag/Hen weekends, Office 'Team Building' events, Scouts/Schools/Cadets or airsoft-style Walts. They are the key contenders for his business. None of these give a rat's @rse about what is posted on a Military Aircew Forum.
We can all draw our own conclusions on why he has decided to wind up his company; mine is not in accord with some of the posts above.
LJ
The majority of attendees for these types of courses will be Stag/Hen weekends, Office 'Team Building' events, Scouts/Schools/Cadets or airsoft-style Walts. They are the key contenders for his business. None of these give a rat's @rse about what is posted on a Military Aircew Forum.
We can all draw our own conclusions on why he has decided to wind up his company; mine is not in accord with some of the posts above.
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You mean Lt Col Bear Grylls, Royal Marines? https://mydonate.bt.com/fundraisers/beargrylls
Raising money for charity still
Raising money for charity still
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Leon,
Call me cynical, but I'm a bit with you on that assessment. Anyway..
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Call me cynical, but I'm a bit with you on that assessment. Anyway..
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Now if true, that would make the next round of cumpulsory drug testing interesting!
Now if it was BoJo, I wouldn't be that surprised - he must be on something!
LJ
PS. It would appear that the E-Goaters are less sympathetic to the survival business...
Now if it was BoJo, I wouldn't be that surprised - he must be on something!
LJ
PS. It would appear that the E-Goaters are less sympathetic to the survival business...
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We also don't know what state the business was in prior to this debacle - so blaming the folks on this site for a bit of righteous indignation (generated by all Walts) is in its turn a bit OTT.
It wasn't the posters here that employed the Walt was it? Yes he did the right thing, but how one-sided was the parting of the ways. Who knows?
Yellow/black . . . pulled on this for me.
