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Cause for ALARM?

Old 27th Jan 2014, 18:57
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Cause for ALARM?

RAF retires ALARM missile ? FighterControl ? Home to the Military Aviation Enthusiast

The link relates to a report on another website quoting a Janes article about retirement of the Alarm missile from the RAF inventory. I didn't really know what to think of this: is it another shocking retirement in the pursuit of economies before requirements or is it the timely passing of a system that has had its day?

What do the knowledgeable folks think about this?

(I couldn't find a reference to this already having been raised on PPRuNe, but if I have duplicated a post, apologies.)

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Old 27th Jan 2014, 19:34
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Same happened with Sea Eagle...
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 19:43
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Thought ALARM went donkeys ago, for the sake of AGM-65 on the then JFH and for the likes of Brimstone and Storm Shadow?

Not even too sure if HARM is used / carried much nowadays across the pond?

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 00:14
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Not even too sure if HARM is used / carried much nowadays across the pond?
HARM (AGM-88) is still very much in use 'across the pond'... AGM-45 and AGM-78 are long gone however.

Wasn't ALARM supposed to be replaced by the Dual Mode Brimstone or some such?

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 11:15
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I wouldn't be too happy trying to take out a SAM radar site at a range of seven miles with Brimstone.

I believe the SA-6 has a range of 15 miles, while the SA-2 is about 28 miles.

Something else for us to rely on our 'coalition partners' for, no doubt.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 12:53
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Wasn't the true value of ALARM it's "loiter" capability?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 13:37
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If no threat detected then it deployed a parachute!! Very Mickey Mouse!
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 14:35
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If it kept the "lights" off long enough to press home an attack, surely help from Mickey Mouse was better than getting Donald Ducked?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 14:45
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By all accounts I heard it was a good piece of kit. Why not refurb them? Must cheaper than buying new.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 15:03
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Another capability gap! No replacement!

Just wonder about a 'no fly' zone example like in Iraq - where patrolling RAF carried (alarm) in case of being targeted. By the time someone else came in to take out the SAM they will have moved. No fixed SAM loitering in a war zone!

Mind you fits well with no carriers, MPA aircraft lists goes on really. As much as the falklands example is now a bit overdone.... the UK is really going to struggle if we have to go it alone again.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 16:41
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i hear/read that SPEAR CAP3 is supposed to be the 'replacement' - anyone got any idea as to whether it will be available before the end of the decade?
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 17:17
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ALARM mock up on Lynx HAS.1

I recall seeing in Paul Beaver's UK Modern Military Missiles book, on the bit about ALARM, there was a photo of a mock ALARM missile on a RN Lynx.

(from above book)



I don't recall any trials, but maybe I was wrong, how far did the FAA look into arming the likes of the Lynx with this missile? Or was it a BAe publicity shot?

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 17:30
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By all accounts I heard it was a good piece of kit. Why not refurb them? Must cheaper than buying new.
I refer you to this...



Which is swiftly followed by Defence Planning Assumption 1. "Someone Else" will provide Capability [X].
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 12:01
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given current defence thinking not surprised the Taliban don't have Radar guided missiles so we don't need them!
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