Health & Safety Hi Viz Nonsense!
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4 pages on CAS wearing a hi-vis belt. Wow.
We have high-vis, hats-on, correct sunglasses-wearing (the list is endless) bulls@!t all over theatre. Threat of MAA (the telling-off kind, not the non-independent safety committee) for driving without headress on is simply ludicrous. I can't even wear the beanie I received in my free Christmas box - probably the most useful thing in it!
When these things are becoming commonplace, it's a sure sign we've been here too long.
Time to go home.
We have high-vis, hats-on, correct sunglasses-wearing (the list is endless) bulls@!t all over theatre. Threat of MAA (the telling-off kind, not the non-independent safety committee) for driving without headress on is simply ludicrous. I can't even wear the beanie I received in my free Christmas box - probably the most useful thing in it!
When these things are becoming commonplace, it's a sure sign we've been here too long.
Time to go home.
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In the Sandbox....if "local" drivers are operating inside the secure perimeter....and for some reason are there under false pretenses....would not the wearing of hi-viz garb not make one a much more conspicuous target especially at night? I would think that counter-productive to ensuring safety....but doubly effective for the Taliban Driver to locate his targets.
Fireflybob,
The first bit of research that Google threw up wasn't very supportive of hi-vis clothing:
Study finds hi-viz clothing has no effect on driver passing distances | Latest News | Cycling Weekly. Probably just makes it easier for drivers to target bloody cyclists!
Interesting too that another site, discussing the intorduction of legislation to require motorcyclists to were hi-viz, quoted Department for Transport as saying “The Government has no plans to make Hi Viz/Day Glo jackets/vests and protective clothing for motorcyclists compulsory.” Either they're happy for motorcyclists to keep getting hit or they're not convinced of their effectiveness.
The first bit of research that Google threw up wasn't very supportive of hi-vis clothing:
Study finds hi-viz clothing has no effect on driver passing distances | Latest News | Cycling Weekly. Probably just makes it easier for drivers to target bloody cyclists!
Interesting too that another site, discussing the intorduction of legislation to require motorcyclists to were hi-viz, quoted Department for Transport as saying “The Government has no plans to make Hi Viz/Day Glo jackets/vests and protective clothing for motorcyclists compulsory.” Either they're happy for motorcyclists to keep getting hit or they're not convinced of their effectiveness.
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The first bit of research that Google threw up wasn't very supportive of hi-vis clothing:
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Not all Hi vis is wasted, here is a case where it shows you a couple of accidents about to happen and warns you to avoid them.
Look at me Mummy, we're playing at being workers..........
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Everyone seems to have forgotten what this is about... it has nothing to do with health and safety - it is to do with anti-litigation. All the regulation and enforcement is to ensure that the person responsible does not get sued following any accident/incident. Wearing of hi-viz and jobs- worth "managers" will continue for as long as we have ambulance chasing lawyers. (And those annoying all day phone calls from call centres despite the BT preference service).
Yeah, fine, but Mrs C is now beating me repeatedly with a rolling pin. Oh, no, she's stopped and is showing me a picture of her in a Hi Viz bikini. Ah, I feel better now. 
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I'm all for it.
If you came out of Yeovilton Fire Station to meet a requirement at night with the airfield open (or worse, not open-think about it), the good people walking out from 899, 845, 846 and across to their aircraft were always much more difficult to spot when they did not have some kind of reflector or the combined high viz jacket set up. Modern kit is far safer and long may it be so. Amazed there weren't more people run over if I'm honest.
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"Amazed there weren't more people run over if I'm honest."
Aaahh, sounds like some common sense and awareness from drivers
was in play
Aaahh, sounds like some common sense and awareness from drivers
was in play
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As someone who wears Hi-Viz every work day, working on highways and byways. I can tell you drivers dont see you.
We have got so used to seeing people in Hi-Viz vests wandering the streets, that it justs blends into the background, and doesnt register with drivers.
Example 1
Hi-Viz long sleeved jacket AND Hi-Viz trousers on. Working at side of road. Driver swerves to avoid me. Stops and gives me grief, as he didnt see me till the last minute. This was on a straight road
Example 2
Hi-Viz vest in a 20mph area. idiot drives straight at me only braking at the last minute. Yet again didnt notice me till he saw my Hi-Viz beanie hat.
Because it was something different.
Never wore Hi-Viz doing Brake chute recovery at Leuchars. Never had a near miss with an aircraft either
We have got so used to seeing people in Hi-Viz vests wandering the streets, that it justs blends into the background, and doesnt register with drivers.
Example 1
Hi-Viz long sleeved jacket AND Hi-Viz trousers on. Working at side of road. Driver swerves to avoid me. Stops and gives me grief, as he didnt see me till the last minute. This was on a straight road
Example 2
Hi-Viz vest in a 20mph area. idiot drives straight at me only braking at the last minute. Yet again didnt notice me till he saw my Hi-Viz beanie hat.
Because it was something different.
Never wore Hi-Viz doing Brake chute recovery at Leuchars. Never had a near miss with an aircraft either
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Agree. Rules and Regs can never make up for common sense, or lack of it.
Whenever we did exercises with vehicles and aircraft, no great emphasis was placed on warnings, the usual about staying away from Tail rotors, engines etc although the average soldier was a bit of a cut above the usual grunt.
We (and others) had engines turning, vehicles driving onto the aircraft, troops spread out across the airfield firing weapons, all at night with no lights and certainly no hi viz, no one got injured. Though I am not too sure how the H&S would view it now.
Edit
I was looking back at the photos of Port Stanley airfield on the other thread
and links which didn't look the most organised of places after the war and
plenty of movement. Any perspectives from those who were there at the time
as to any accidents that occurred because of no hi viz or did common sense
come into play ?
Whenever we did exercises with vehicles and aircraft, no great emphasis was placed on warnings, the usual about staying away from Tail rotors, engines etc although the average soldier was a bit of a cut above the usual grunt.
We (and others) had engines turning, vehicles driving onto the aircraft, troops spread out across the airfield firing weapons, all at night with no lights and certainly no hi viz, no one got injured. Though I am not too sure how the H&S would view it now.
Edit
I was looking back at the photos of Port Stanley airfield on the other thread
and links which didn't look the most organised of places after the war and
plenty of movement. Any perspectives from those who were there at the time
as to any accidents that occurred because of no hi viz or did common sense
come into play ?
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That hi viz green colour is useless. I can quite easily miss it, especially when it is manky. The orange stuff is far more visible. Is there some sort of management/workforce divide with Hi viz clothing? I often see "workers" in the green stuff, and "management" in the orange.