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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 11th Feb 2014, 13:09
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According to Smiler Jim (of 201) the problem with the Nimrod was that the floor was too high rather than the fuselage too narrow.
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Old 11th Feb 2014, 22:05
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Stuffy,

No MAD boom on the Boeing. Well submarines sit next to shipwrecks to hide the metal signature.
You forgot to address the lack of the aft Radar, your suggestion - Fly backwards every now and then?
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Stuffy
Speaking to airline engineers who have had B737s and A320s in their fleet. They say that the Airbus is superior. It should be, it is a newer design not a 1950's B707 fuselage. The Airbus fuselage is wider.
Actually, the 737's fuselage cross-section is that of the B727 (1960).

The B727 shares only the upper fuselage cross-section with the 707 - the lower fuselage is shaped differently.

Nimrod fuselage diameter (upper) 123"
P-8A fuselage diameter 148".
A320 fuselage diameter 155"-6" (listed internal width 12' 2" vs 11' 4" for B737, but the Airbus website says "7 inches wider than its competitors")

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GK, what is important is the vertical position of the floor. As I said above, I was told that the P3 floor position was superior to that of the Nimrod.

I am not sure but I think the Nimrod floor was at the widest section whereas the P3s was lower thus giving a wider cabin. Could be wrong but that is what our expert CO said.
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"Boeing itself has teamed up with Bombardier (BBDb.TO) to develop a low-cost version of the Poseidon, using the Canadian company's Challenger 605 business jet in conjunction with P-8 surveillance and radar systems."

Unassuming aircraft a drawcard at Asia's arms bazaar | Reuters
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Hardly a low cost P8. At best it will be able to conduct Maritime Surveillance.

There are lots of cheaper options that could do that.
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By how much. And who really cares. Have you ever been down the back of a
P-8A? There are virtual tours available on line. To my eye, it looks like there
is more than enough space for kit in this digital age. In fact, it looks as if
there's almost too much space.
I have actually been down the back of a P-8 Betty, and funny you should say it because that was my first thought as soon as I walked in through the door. There is a LOT of spare space for future growth and added capabilities.


Hardly a low cost P8. At best it will be able to conduct Maritime
Surveillance.

There are lots of cheaper options that could do
that.
Not meant to be 'a low cost P-8'. It's a maritime surveillance aircraft (no ASW or AsuW capability) that utilises P-8 mission systems. The reduced capability is reflected in the reduced price (company officials put it at a third the unit cost of a P-8).

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I'm sure the next concept will be a Cessna 152.
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According to Smiler Jim (of 201) the problem with the Nimrod was that the
floor was too high rather than the fuselage too narrow.
Surely the ceiling was too low, rather than the floor being too high....
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Originally Posted by melmothtw
Surely the ceiling was too low, rather than the floor being too high...
Not an insurmountable problem:

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Melmothtw, if it's fitted with a radar and got windows why exactly can't it do asuw?
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I concede the ceiling was too low for Harry Knockolds. There was one aircraft with a dent about a foot above the entrance door. The apocryphal tale was that Harry had forgotten to duck.
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It has no weapons capability Jayend, purely surveillence and patrol.
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Old 15th Feb 2014, 17:09
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still better than no surveillance or patrol at all surely?
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PN et al - surely the Nimrod floor was in the same place as the Comet's, therefore nowhere near the optimum if looking at the fuselage cross section and what was clearly DH106 hull sat atop an attached underside?
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PN et al - surely the Nimrod floor was in the same place as the Comet's, therefore nowhere near the optimum if looking at the fuselage cross section and what was clearly DH106 hull sat atop an attached underside?
So you're going to tell Jim that he was wrong?

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Old 15th Feb 2014, 22:33
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Harry. I see your point. But can we really afford to compromise on this?! Haven't we compromised too much already?!
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YS, I believe Norma has it right. Smiler was talking cross section.
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Originally Posted by Stuffy View Post
Airbus have done nothing except a paper exercise.
Lockheed have done nothing except a paper exercise.

Boeing have produced an MPA which is already in service.

Why the other manufacturers have done nothing, well only they can answer that?.

Err, kind of simple answer to that - Boeing developed theirs because the US Government paid them to.

Wiki isn't the most reliable source (!) but in this case it's fairly on the ball

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