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UK Maritime Patrol Aircraft - An Urgent Requirement

Old 5th Feb 2014, 18:41
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Bloodhound.

No MPA doesn't make sense.

Technology is changing so quickly.

The beancounters are confused.

I have no answer.

Do you ?

Give me an answer the UK can afford.

Don't forget we must give ALL our money to the foreign aid budget.
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Old 5th Feb 2014, 19:42
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Oh, FFS!

Stuffy...

Frankly, I'm only reading this thread for $hits and giggles now!!

Any semblance of a debate is long gone. I'm just logging on to have a laugh now.

It's working.
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Old 5th Feb 2014, 21:22
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Betty, pass me another Bateman's
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 08:13
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I suggest Anglo-French joint operations with ATL2 Atlantiques. Probably from two UK bases?
Stuffy,

For the purposes of entertainment, can you please expand on the above?

Do you mean mixed FR/UK crews? Do you mean a whole sqn of UK aircrew flying the ATL2 gifted to the RAF by France? Which 2 UK bases would you pick and why? and any other pearls of wisdom that you care to add...
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PA, in answer to your last, the answer be obvious, St Mawgan and Manston, either end of Le English Channel.

Now I did see a very smart Falcon 50 on a SAROP in the Channel last year.

Now the ATL2 has been out of production for 27 years. How about resurrecting the ATL3?

Maybe that is what the man was doing at Brize behind closed doors
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 09:14
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St Mawgan and Lossiemouth.

ATL2s deliveries began around 1990.

They are being upgraded.

In 1995 a joint ATL3 was proposed.

There is collaboration between the UK and France.

Here is an interesting Canadian perspective from four years ago:-

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 10:42
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That's it!! Stuffy for CAS.

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 12:44
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Stuffy - if you look in the latest edition of the BINA ERS (dated 6 Feb 14), you may notice that there isn't an airfield at St Mawgan - and hasn't been for quite some time!
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St. Mawgan went 'civvy' ages ago which would probably preclude that. Perhaps Lossie & Waddo?
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 13:20
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RAF St Mawgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I am led to believe that 5 P8s have been reserved for the UK.

How does it find submarines without a MAD boom ?
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Is that a serious question?
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How does it find submarines without a MAD boom ?
The crew have live Twitter feeds to provide a heads up and then arrange a rendezvous via Facebook. We're all friends together now don't ya know.

P.S. Stuffy - if you read your own link to St Mawgan, you will see that it has been devoid of a runway since 2008.

I am led to believe that 5 P8s have been reserved for the UK.

Almost correct. It is in fact 8 P5's that have been reserved, otherwise known as the 'Walthar'
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How does it find submarines without a MAD boom ?
It is abundantly clear that you haven't actually done the business or even had any peripheral involvement with it. Unless that is you are invoking the second part of the definition of Covert.

I suggest Anglo-French joint operations with ATL2 Atlantiques. Probably from two UK bases?
They have built 28 ATL2's, probably about 20 are available?
It is also exceedingly plain that you have not had any interaction with our allies across the Channel. Although I do treasure the memory of restraining an USN Lt Cdr from committing violence upon the person of Cdr Ops at COMESOULANT.

The Entente was less that Cordiale.

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I recall we used to trail a long wire behind the aircraft. This was multi-mission capable and amongst other things was a ground proximity warner. Not so good over land with rising ground but excellent over water.

The addition of a hook would obviate the need to a MAD boom.
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BL, MAD used to be the primary search sensor for a particular mission >
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Slim pickings for solutions on this thread.

Magnetic Anomoly Detector. Used to detect minute changes caused by the presence of a submarine.
P3 and P2 has them. So does the Atlantique.
So did the Canadair Argus.

What has changed in technology that the P8 does not have one ??
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What has changed in technology that the P8 does not have one ??
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Old 6th Feb 2014, 18:07
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I recall we used to trail a long wire behind the aircraft. This was multi-mission capable and amongst other things was a ground proximity warner. Not so good over land with rising ground but excellent over water.
Ah, this explains it all. So an E-6B carries a long cable because it flies high - it all becomes clear - a very clever system to allow for Terrain Following at 35kft!

Many thanks, always wondered about that one.

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Old 6th Feb 2014, 18:34
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It's all falling into place now!! Jeez, the stuff I learn on here.

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So if we use the E-6 style trailing antenna at low level over the sea with a big weight on the end, we obviate the need for MAD as we can hook 'em instead?

I'm sure I saw a P-8 video at one point that suggested the use of a sonobuoy-tube launched mini-UAV for MAD type work, but that might be the whisky talking!
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