Piston Provost
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Piston Provost
Can anyone help with a copy of the Piston Provost flying instructor's handbook. (AP3225?)
I am an ex CFS standards QFI, (Jet Provost) considering the purchase of a PP which I would wish to operate to CFS standards.
If the purchase goes ahead, I will be offering 3 shares in the machine.
I am an ex CFS standards QFI, (Jet Provost) considering the purchase of a PP which I would wish to operate to CFS standards.
If the purchase goes ahead, I will be offering 3 shares in the machine.
Good luck - never flew the PP, but trained on the JP 3 and 4. Always had a strange affinity for the PP - saw one at Old Warden this week. always makes me wish I had flown it - did get 45 mins in the BD Harvard several years ago. Magic.
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Thanks for the video and good wishes.
I, too, trained on JPs but have a strong urge to fly a big radial before its too late.
6 fts , my own fts, was the last school to fly the PP at Ternhill then Acklington before the JPs arrived.
690, the silver a/c in the video, is the one under consideration !!
I, too, trained on JPs but have a strong urge to fly a big radial before its too late.
6 fts , my own fts, was the last school to fly the PP at Ternhill then Acklington before the JPs arrived.
690, the silver a/c in the video, is the one under consideration !!
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Brilliant, thank you !
I actually live in Cookham, Berks, now, so could collect !
JP5 was the smoothest and quietest JP but the 4 had the best performance, and the type from which I ejected! Visited the crash site last week, local residents still remember it 50 years after the event.
Thanks for the video !!
I actually live in Cookham, Berks, now, so could collect !
JP5 was the smoothest and quietest JP but the 4 had the best performance, and the type from which I ejected! Visited the crash site last week, local residents still remember it 50 years after the event.
Thanks for the video !!
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RetiredBA/BY - I guess you know that there's a PP not a million miles from you at Grazeley? Owned by an ex-BA VC10/Concorde captain and kept at his farm strip.
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Interested in your JP4 ejection. What was the date?
We had a rogue 4 at Barkston in the '61/'62 time that did not spin like the rest so we would not let studes solo in it. Complained to Boscombe so they came to fly it but did not want to talk to us. They jumped out in their first spin.
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Interested in your JP4 ejection. What was the date?
We had a rogue 4 at Barkston in the '61/'62 time that did not spin like the rest so we would not let studes solo in it. Complained to Boscombe so they came to fly it but did not want to talk to us. They jumped out in their first spin.
JF
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Amazing replies so soon !
John, my ejection was on April 18th, 1963. Don't have the T shirt but DO now have the Bremont watch! The cause was one of those false fire warnings.
We (inc. my Then QFI) were guests of MB on the 50th. Anniversary.
All the JPs I spun were very stable and totally predictable, except the 5 which had a rather oscillatory spin, but recovered normally. In my days as a QFI solo spinning was out as were those turn backs which killed more than they saved.
Beagle, didn't know about the Grazely PP. I am ex BA VC 10 too, with more than a passing acquaintance of Concorde, I probably know him! Love to get in touch if you can point me in the right direction, would be good to discuss ownership and it could be mutually beneficial !
The PP I am looking at is currently at Yeovilton but IF I buy it will be brought near to Cookham which means WW or Booker but will need hangaring, too good to leave outdoors in the UK climate.
Thank you all for the replies.
John, my ejection was on April 18th, 1963. Don't have the T shirt but DO now have the Bremont watch! The cause was one of those false fire warnings.
We (inc. my Then QFI) were guests of MB on the 50th. Anniversary.
All the JPs I spun were very stable and totally predictable, except the 5 which had a rather oscillatory spin, but recovered normally. In my days as a QFI solo spinning was out as were those turn backs which killed more than they saved.
Beagle, didn't know about the Grazely PP. I am ex BA VC 10 too, with more than a passing acquaintance of Concorde, I probably know him! Love to get in touch if you can point me in the right direction, would be good to discuss ownership and it could be mutually beneficial !
The PP I am looking at is currently at Yeovilton but IF I buy it will be brought near to Cookham which means WW or Booker but will need hangaring, too good to leave outdoors in the UK climate.
Thank you all for the replies.
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SOSL - loved the Old Warden video - saw the camo'd aeroplane there on Monday - but thought the PP was changing colour scheme whilst airborne, then realised I had missed a bit at the beginning and there were two of them!
RetiredBA/BY, if you go to G-INFO and type 'P56 Provost T1' into the search pane, it will list all 5 PPs currently on the UK register:
GINFO Search Results Summary | Aircraft Register | Operations and Safety
The one to which I refer is G-AWPH which is the first on the list. Click on the registration and it will give you full details - including the address of 'Ginger', the owner!
I did have his e-mail address, but am not sure if it's still current.
GINFO Search Results Summary | Aircraft Register | Operations and Safety
The one to which I refer is G-AWPH which is the first on the list. Click on the registration and it will give you full details - including the address of 'Ginger', the owner!
I did have his e-mail address, but am not sure if it's still current.
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Interesting comments on the spinning foibles of the Jet Provost, a type I've never tried but long ago I trained on the Provost T 1 and came to love it although it too had an 'interesting' spin. After the airframe driver did all the right things it was in no rush to cease its rotation, a most curious and slightly unsettling trait although it did eventually play the game. 
Rtd BA/BY. ISTR there is an AAIB Report into the sad loss of a Piston Provost which occurred a couple or so years ago. I believe there were some recommendations re the Leonides. I'm probably teaching my Granny etc etc etc, for which I apologise. Did "basic" on the PP', great aircraft but, it used to vent fuel into the cockpit on "slow rolls" especially my dreadful ones!
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Thanks again, chaps.
Yes I have read the AAIB report on the accident to the Fairey machine. The engine on 690 has been stripped in accordance with CAA requirements so the gudgeon pins should not be troublesome in the future.
Now my memory has been triggered I do recall that Ginger Bradshaw has a PP, but surprised and pleased he still has it.
I will contact him.
Again, many thanks for all this info. I am most grateful, it will certainly help my decision.
Yes I have read the AAIB report on the accident to the Fairey machine. The engine on 690 has been stripped in accordance with CAA requirements so the gudgeon pins should not be troublesome in the future.
Now my memory has been triggered I do recall that Ginger Bradshaw has a PP, but surprised and pleased he still has it.
I will contact him.
Again, many thanks for all this info. I am most grateful, it will certainly help my decision.
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Many thanks. Looked up your aircraft loss in my book of RAF Cat 5s. I shall not mention the crew names quoted!
Funnily enough I had the same light come on out of Barkston when solo in a JP4 and practising a Cranwell pass out form aeros routine. It was accompanied by a rather disturbing pop behind me and a smell of burning but I was well placed so shut it down and landed at Cranwell South.
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Many thanks. Looked up your aircraft loss in my book of RAF Cat 5s. I shall not mention the crew names quoted!
Funnily enough I had the same light come on out of Barkston when solo in a JP4 and practising a Cranwell pass out form aeros routine. It was accompanied by a rather disturbing pop behind me and a smell of burning but I was well placed so shut it down and landed at Cranwell South.
JF
Now my memory has been triggered I do recall that Ginger Bradshaw has a PP, but surprised and pleased he still has it.
I will contact him.
I will contact him.
Incidentally, he actually won the Kings Cup Air Race in his PP in 1971!!
John, my ejection was on April 18th, 1963. Don't have the T shirt but DO now have the Bremont watch! The cause was one of those false fire warnings.