Last flying Vulcan to stay in the skies
Other projects are now more deserving of public cash, and they'll help to invigorate the airshow scene. IMHO that is.
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Flatiron, how is it that RR haven't stopped all of the other vintage ac that are powered by RR engines such as the Merlin, Griffen, Goblin, Derwent not to mention older aircraft such as the Fury (Hawker) and Hind?
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
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What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
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Flatiron, how is it that RR haven't stopped all of the other vintage ac that are powered by RR engines such as the Merlin, Griffen, Goblin, Derwent not to mention older aircraft such as the Fury (Hawker) and Hind?
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
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What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
MB
Goblin and Derwents were built at a time when there were no calendar or fatigue lives for such engines and one would think RR are concerned over their continued operations, though they are relatively simple and low powered.
Olympus engines as in the Vulcan are no longer overhauled or built, are not simple nor low powered. Engines have a finite life even in storage bags which i cannot remember the figures for, but it was about 10 or 20 years before they required reoverhauling if the old memory serves me right, and to put it simply, the tooling, skills and spares to do that probably no longer exist, I would be suprised if a lot of the individual component manufactures actually exist any more either... Wasn't the Olympus not lifed on hours but on power cycles? in which case to increase their life one wonders if that is why people are saying there was none of the power on noisey displays at Cosford we have become use to, possibly to save engine cycles and increase their life?.
As said why would a major Aero engine manufacturer put their reputation on the line along with possibly being culpable if things went badly wrong at a show, I can see them possibly looking at the initial life they put on the engines they have, (which was lower i think that the service life in military use) based on their useage and condition etc, but at the end of the day it goes back to "why would a major Aero engine manufacturer put their reputation on the line along with possibly being culpable if things went badly wrong."
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Flatiron, how is it that RR haven't stopped all of the other vintage ac that are powered by RR engines such as the Merlin, Griffen, Goblin, Derwent not to mention older aircraft such as the Fury (Hawker) and Hind?
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
MB
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
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For the jets, specifically Viper, Avon etc. there is no difference. RR do not support, service or overhaul them.
How their life is monitored / judged is a battle between past documentation, owners, maintainers and the CAA. I would suggest public debate is not worthwhile, but would be pretty sure that if the Vulcan needs more engine life, all is being done that can be done to secure that
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Wasn't the Olympus not lifed on hours but on power cycles? in which case to increase their life one wonders if that is why people are saying there was none of the power on noisey displays at Cosford we have become use to, possibly to save engine cycles and increase their life?.
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Vulcan to fly over Goodwood ? and on to 2015 - Telegraph
Apologies if this has been posted elsewhere, but too good to miss.
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In essence, the CAA only allowed 558 to get airborne and display provided its integrity and systems were underwritten by a credible aviation engineering company. I think I'm right in saying that authority is Marshall Aerospace, with associate specialists such as RR also putting their reputations on the line. If they get cold feet, CAA will ground 558.
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Flatiron, how is it that RR haven't stopped all of the other vintage ac that are powered by RR engines such as the Merlin, Griffen, Goblin, Derwent not to mention older aircraft such as the Fury (Hawker) and Hind?
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
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Merlins, Griffons are still overhauled the world over, as for Avons well some still use the Hunter etc in service, so possibly not a problem..
Goblin and Derwents were built at a time when there were no calendar or fatigue lives for such engines and one would think RR are concerned over their continued operations, though they are relatively simple and low powered.
Flatiron, how is it that RR haven't stopped all of the other vintage ac that are powered by RR engines such as the Merlin, Griffen, Goblin, Derwent not to mention older aircraft such as the Fury (Hawker) and Hind?
What's so special about an Olympus when compared with say an Avon in a Hunter?
MB
Merlins, Griffons are still overhauled the world over, as for Avons well some still use the Hunter etc in service, so possibly not a problem..
Goblin and Derwents were built at a time when there were no calendar or fatigue lives for such engines and one would think RR are concerned over their continued operations, though they are relatively simple and low powered.
I maybe wrong here, but I believe there wouldn't be any support for the Derwent if MB were not still operating their Meatboxes. IIRC, the Derwents in the recently restored airworthy T.7 were built by the same team that do the Derwents for the MB aircraft.
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I spent a long time and a great part of my service career associated with this aircraft. Having moved to Oz I have not had the chance to see 558 back in the air again. However, I am going to the UK in September and noted that she is due to display at Leuchars on 7 Sep.
I therefore wrote to VTS to see if there was any chance of being relatively close when she is winding up and preparing to depart for the display. I really would like to get some video of her taking off and the chance to show my Oz wife what a magnificent machine it is.
This is their reply.....
Unfortunately we aren’t able to host any tours on 7th due to the need for preparation before the Air Show, we do have tours available on either 3rd, 4th, 10th or 11th. If you would like to book one of these please either call the number below between 10.00 and 15.30, Monday to Friday or alternatively you can book online at https://vulcantotheskytrust.checkfront.co.uk/reserve/.
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Sarah
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Sarah - I don't want a farkin tour of the beast because I know them like the back of my hand and I didn't ask for a tour. I just want to park myself in a quiet corner out the way with my camera and video the engine start, taxy and take off and then I will quietly melt away without giving anyone any hassle. Yes, I could position myself on the end of the runway at Finningley (and may have to ultimately do that) but one would have thought that the VTS PR machine could do a little better
I therefore wrote to VTS to see if there was any chance of being relatively close when she is winding up and preparing to depart for the display. I really would like to get some video of her taking off and the chance to show my Oz wife what a magnificent machine it is.
This is their reply.....
Unfortunately we aren’t able to host any tours on 7th due to the need for preparation before the Air Show, we do have tours available on either 3rd, 4th, 10th or 11th. If you would like to book one of these please either call the number below between 10.00 and 15.30, Monday to Friday or alternatively you can book online at https://vulcantotheskytrust.checkfront.co.uk/reserve/.
Kind regards,
Sarah
The Vulcan Experience Team
Sarah - I don't want a farkin tour of the beast because I know them like the back of my hand and I didn't ask for a tour. I just want to park myself in a quiet corner out the way with my camera and video the engine start, taxy and take off and then I will quietly melt away without giving anyone any hassle. Yes, I could position myself on the end of the runway at Finningley (and may have to ultimately do that) but one would have thought that the VTS PR machine could do a little better
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I think what the VTS say is probably sensible. By blocking off the 7th, that caters for all the variables that may occur - she may pre-position to Leuchars for weather, other displays whatever, maybe even the day before. The slot at Leuchars is probably unknown now, and will chance multiple times between now and then, including on the day.
Doncaster, whilst it does not have many movements, will also regard itself as a "major international airport" and all the security blah that goes with it. The "tours" aspect will be with the aircraft "landside" and unscreened public can get near. At some point the aircraft / hangar / visitors whatever would have to become airside / secure.
As for finding a spot at "Finningley", that is more by chance / the airport security, timings. So yes, sure you might get a good video, but I can understand VTS not wanting to arrange / promise anything
One of the spotter forums (UKAR?) might be better to find where to watch from, and how to "glean" information.
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I think what the VTS say is probably sensible. By blocking off the 7th, that caters for all the variables that may occur - she may pre-position to Leuchars for weather, other displays whatever, maybe even the day before. The slot at Leuchars is probably unknown now, and will chance multiple times between now and then, including on the day.
Doncaster, whilst it does not have many movements, will also regard itself as a "major international airport" and all the security blah that goes with it. The "tours" aspect will be with the aircraft "landside" and unscreened public can get near. At some point the aircraft / hangar / visitors whatever would have to become airside / secure.
As for finding a spot at "Finningley", that is more by chance / the airport security, timings. So yes, sure you might get a good video, but I can understand VTS not wanting to arrange / promise anything
One of the spotter forums (UKAR?) might be better to find where to watch from, and how to "glean" information.NoD
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Fair enough NoD. But I do also know Finningley like the back of my hand and know that I can get good shots of engine start, taxy and take off from the centre hangar doors of 3 shed.
As I'm coming from half-way around the world and that this is probably my last chance of seeing an airborne Vulcan I would have thought that they might have been a tad more flexible.
(I'm even willing to part with a reasonably large wad for the privilege!)
As I'm coming from half-way around the world and that this is probably my last chance of seeing an airborne Vulcan I would have thought that they might have been a tad more flexible.
(I'm even willing to part with a reasonably large wad for the privilege!)
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You should get pretty close to the thing if you go to Leuchars.
It will certainly be in the static display at some point, which means you will be able to go quite near it. A small bribe, perhaps by prior arrangement, ought to let you a bit closer if that's what you want.
Of course, everyone gets to see, and hear, it fly!
A fantastic racket!
It will certainly be in the static display at some point, which means you will be able to go quite near it. A small bribe, perhaps by prior arrangement, ought to let you a bit closer if that's what you want.
Of course, everyone gets to see, and hear, it fly!
A fantastic racket!
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You should get pretty close to the thing if you go to Leuchars.
As an aside.......having planned everything you go to see someone early in the piece and they say "When are you going back?". Once you've told them they then say "Oh, you'll have to pop in again before you go".
No, I bloody well can't!!! Every sodding day is accounted for
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How about contacting the airport rather than the operator? The airport authorities will the ones controlling access.
A properly pleaded letter might get you in the control tower!
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Wonderfull Video showing all aspects of vulcan training in 1960
RAF Waddington, Vulcan Bomber 1960 - YouTube
RAF Waddington, Vulcan Bomber 1960 - YouTube