Are we crackers to be anxious over hackers?
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Are we crackers to be anxious over hackers?
No, but this type of thing has been going on for years now. Started with the MiG 15 to the APG-65 from the F-18. That is why we have compartments and security caveats to try and keep things 'water tight'.
Simple. If you connect your intranet to the internet, someone will find a way in. If your secrets are important to you, don't share them with the world by using the internet. It all seems very obvious to me, but maybe that's just me. 
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Google Solar Sunrise and see what you come up with....
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Courtney, it may seem simple but as the MOD does connect intra to inter . . .
As most users know there are system blocks that are permanent or temporary - eBay being but one. Certain words and images are another. But where there is a software block there will inevitably be several software keys.
For a start, who makes the chips?
As most users know there are system blocks that are permanent or temporary - eBay being but one. Certain words and images are another. But where there is a software block there will inevitably be several software keys.
For a start, who makes the chips?
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Ooooohhh buggerlet, does this mean the little slanty eyed buggles are interfering with my "profit making" roof mounted solar panels ? Or, can I rely on the integrity of our fearless operatives of MI whatsit, to make sure that all is well ? Hmmmm thought not 
PN, you usually make a lot of sense, but I only got half of that. I take issue with your opening statement. I could sit at an HQ or Station terminal and access both the intranet and the internet. Therefore there is a connection. Stranger things happened on the pink side and I had no desire to understand the connectivity there.
My point was, if your system is completely isolated from the outside world, no physical paths, it doesn't matter who made the chips, they can't create a link where none exists.
My point was, if your system is completely isolated from the outside world, no physical paths, it doesn't matter who made the chips, they can't create a link where none exists.
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My point was, if your system is completely isolated from the outside world, no physical paths, it doesn't matter who made the chips, they can't create a link where none exists.
If only that were true!
Sadly PC's and laptops tend to have USB ports or Bluetooth and this makes a net connection easy to sort, or of course to import viruses or remove data.
I am typing this on a tablet that has no Internet connection wired to it, but it does have Bluetooth, just as my phone does, and my phone is providing the Internet hotspot.
If only that were true!
Sadly PC's and laptops tend to have USB ports or Bluetooth and this makes a net connection easy to sort, or of course to import viruses or remove data.
I am typing this on a tablet that has no Internet connection wired to it, but it does have Bluetooth, just as my phone does, and my phone is providing the Internet hotspot.
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It is relatively easy to view the lateral dimensions of the bubble - you can see if your colleague brings his IPad/IPhone/PAD etc in proximity to your secure PC. It is less easy to not what is happening the other side of a wall, or above or below your office.
The problem with IT security is people. Where there are rules that are overly restrictive then those rules will be circumvented. The rules concerning my MOD laptop were so restrictive I never bothered to use it. At Henlow the passwords were on cards attached to the laptop bags even when the bags were taken off base.
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While what BS says is true, of intranet machines they are usually locked down to prevent access to unauthorised USB sticks and I guess Bluetooth, but these tend to be human breaks rather than deliberate attacks. My point was that human circumvention of the rules can open up an otherwise secure system to attack.
Some years ago, and I don't know how, but someone got in to the MOD phone system, linked in to Sqn Ldr Ops phone in Akrotiri and then bounced out to Tehran. Apparently it was just a means of getting a free phone call from UK but it showed what was possible.
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Points well made, PN & BS. Would it be correct to say that the hacking being discussed here is through a hard wire or other methods?
The problem with laptops is that it's hard, if not impossible, to buy one today that does not have wifi and bluetooth and a load of background apps that are simply there to get them into action. I see your point.
Bring on the air gap and tin foil hats for computers, eh?
The problem with laptops is that it's hard, if not impossible, to buy one today that does not have wifi and bluetooth and a load of background apps that are simply there to get them into action. I see your point.
Bring on the air gap and tin foil hats for computers, eh?
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The problem with air gaps is someone inevitably comes along and joins the two together to solve his/her problem.
When I was working for guvmint many moons ago we used to talk about using two different network technologies that cannot be joined together by "chance". But the people at the top never understood it plus they couldn't justify spending more in a climate of spending less on administrative costs. That said, the real big leaks in that place came from a manager with the assistance of a HR person, who would lend his secretary to other senior managers to data mine their computers when their secretary called in sick. Fortunately it all came unstuck for him in a most tabloid kind of way.
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When I was working for guvmint many moons ago we used to talk about using two different network technologies that cannot be joined together by "chance". But the people at the top never understood it plus they couldn't justify spending more in a climate of spending less on administrative costs. That said, the real big leaks in that place came from a manager with the assistance of a HR person, who would lend his secretary to other senior managers to data mine their computers when their secretary called in sick. Fortunately it all came unstuck for him in a most tabloid kind of way.
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Contacting people using their MoD e-mail addresses can often be very frustrating if your e-mail includes an image such as a table or screenshot. No warning of delay / blocking is given, so the assumption is often that the addressee is being b****y rude and not responding. At least other organisations advise you that an e-mail is being delayed for screening, if their suspicious anti-spam software hasn't fathomed out that the e-mail is safe..
Which then leads to the same e-mail being resent to a private address, with all the associated risk.
I recall one meeting which included government people. Everyone was able to upload the relevant working documents except the MoD reps. So we printed off half a rain forest for them instead.....
Which then leads to the same e-mail being resent to a private address, with all the associated risk.
I recall one meeting which included government people. Everyone was able to upload the relevant working documents except the MoD reps. So we printed off half a rain forest for them instead.....
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Unfortunately tin foil is not what they need. The SOMA VDUs were gold film and on charge at £4,000 a pop at 1987 prices. They were also security key locked, the same key as nuclear weapons and gaming machines.
What price security?
What price security?
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"the same key as nuclear weapons and gaming machines."
Already have visions of that stupid git on TV shouting "Game on" and then a bucket of instant sunshine appearing. Lets hope the two don't get mixed up.
Already have visions of that stupid git on TV shouting "Game on" and then a bucket of instant sunshine appearing. Lets hope the two don't get mixed up.