Here it comes: Syria
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What terrifies me is that all the investigation seems to have been on whether chemical weapons were used and little attention on who might have deployed them. 'It was Assad!' our politicians keep yelling. But I have seen no evidence produced to show this as a fact.
It seems to me that Assad has most to lose by using them, whereas the rebels have most to gain by dragging the West into their war.
There are many pictures of women and children gassed, but not a lot of 'fighters' in the laid out bodies.
It cannot be beyond the realms of fantasy that the opposition actually gassed some of their own side; they would of course be declared martyrs and gain all the appropriate after-life privileges.
We are being manipulated into another Arab war and I can only that our Parliament has the guts to stand up and say so.
It seems to me that Assad has most to lose by using them, whereas the rebels have most to gain by dragging the West into their war.
There are many pictures of women and children gassed, but not a lot of 'fighters' in the laid out bodies.
It cannot be beyond the realms of fantasy that the opposition actually gassed some of their own side; they would of course be declared martyrs and gain all the appropriate after-life privileges.
We are being manipulated into another Arab war and I can only that our Parliament has the guts to stand up and say so.
14th century people with 21st century weapons are unlikely to see reason.
I note that the wretched Bliar has made an unwelcome reappearance - presumably to give Call-me-Dave and Hague-the-Mekon some top tips on how to get away with illegal wars?
I note that the wretched Bliar has made an unwelcome reappearance - presumably to give Call-me-Dave and Hague-the-Mekon some top tips on how to get away with illegal wars?
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This is an incredibly emotive thread and very informative. Has anyone considered that as the US is allegedly going to run out of money again mid October unless the Senate increase the ex trillion $ overdraft. Isn't this a little bit convenient timing to start a Middle eastern war. All of a sudden extra cash is available?
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There's no public support for a Syrian war - YouTube
The only mainstream party leader of a UK party who is 100% against military action in Syria.
The only mainstream party leader of a UK party who is 100% against military action in Syria.
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Oh! Oh! Brilliant interview.
"UKIP LEADER ENDORSES VAST MAJORITY OF INFORMED OPINIONS ON PRESTIGIOUS MILITARY AVIATION SITE"
Don't say I didn't tell you!
"UKIP LEADER ENDORSES VAST MAJORITY OF INFORMED OPINIONS ON PRESTIGIOUS MILITARY AVIATION SITE"
Don't say I didn't tell you!
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So, it looks like Cameron has blown it. Committed to military action with the US and France on Sunday morning, he now looks likely to be marginal on domestic support in the house of commons and, his UN manouvre looks likely to stall for time.
What a quandary! Will he go for it anyway? Whatever he does, I think he has blown it, assisted by his little friend William.
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What a quandary! Will he go for it anyway? Whatever he does, I think he has blown it, assisted by his little friend William.
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Out of interest what exactly could you target?
If you went for his Chemical stockpiles surely the risk is high of spreading the stuff all over the shop as you would never be guaranteed to take them out 100% in which case what would you hit?
I noticed that slimey Hague was on discussing the meeting where the cabinet agreed for action, that they decided unanimously that the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime was unacceptable and that the world could not stand by ..... NOT that they had all agreed on action against them.
If you went for his Chemical stockpiles surely the risk is high of spreading the stuff all over the shop as you would never be guaranteed to take them out 100% in which case what would you hit?
I noticed that slimey Hague was on discussing the meeting where the cabinet agreed for action, that they decided unanimously that the use of chemical weapons by the Assad regime was unacceptable and that the world could not stand by ..... NOT that they had all agreed on action against them.
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Except he (Farage) does not explain - that man and his party are full of trite vacuous statements more at home in the student debating club. He is not helping the situation.
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TomJoad, yes he is helping! We have the fools Cameron and Hague talking about war, war and more war! We have Farage as the only mainstream UK party leader who does not want to get involved. This will give people who are sick of all these little wars a party to vote for come the next election and in all future elections. Farage is speaking for a great majority of the British people when he speaks in this way. The British military doing nothing in in Syria is the best possible outcome.
If you want peace in future then vote UKIP, for more wars then any of the others!
If you want peace in future then vote UKIP, for more wars then any of the others!
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What Ronald said, have to agree he is the only one that appears to be following what the people want, and after all a politician is the voice of the people and a servant thereof.
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I have little doubt the children in the Commons will support 'call me Dave'
My concern is that there isn't an end game unless boots go back on the ground. Remind me again how many of Hague's, Cameron's, Clegg's and Obama's children are serving in the forces....
My concern is that there isn't an end game unless boots go back on the ground. Remind me again how many of Hague's, Cameron's, Clegg's and Obama's children are serving in the forces....
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It should be de rigour that the first Aircraft, landing craft or tank into what ever country we invade should be carrying a senior politician from the Government of the day..... That would curb the Gunho attitude they have.
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Agree. And they can stay at point all the way to the end !
And I said either on this or the other Syrian thread, a visit to
Walter Reed or Headley Court.
Agree. And they can stay at point all the way to the end !
And I said either on this or the other Syrian thread, a visit to
Walter Reed or Headley Court.
Narrowly speaking is an elected official there to give the public what they want on every issue?
We're trying that experiment here and it's not going so well.
We're trying that experiment here and it's not going so well.
AFAIK, the only UN documented use of chemical weapons so far has been by... Western-backed rebels trying to make it look like Assad's forces did it.
See Ronald Reagan's link above.
See Ronald Reagan's link above.