Typhoon vs..... Hercules?
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The Herc was using his higher rate of turn?! Higher than a Typhoon?!
Holy sh1t. Let's stick some ASRAAMs on it quick and change it's primary role.
Sorry, I was being facetious. Smaller turn radius I can just about buy (with the Herc being slow and the Typhoon being fast) but higher rate of turn I will not jump on board with.
Sorry for being a Poindexter.
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Holy sh1t. Let's stick some ASRAAMs on it quick and change it's primary role.
Sorry, I was being facetious. Smaller turn radius I can just about buy (with the Herc being slow and the Typhoon being fast) but higher rate of turn I will not jump on board with.
Sorry for being a Poindexter.
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A sophisticated fighter like Typhoon really ought to be able to make mincemeat of a heavy in a matter of seconds otherwise it wouldn't justify its price tag.
Does that statement apply pre-gun or post-gun for the Typhoon?
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When I say higher rate of turn I was talking about what I saw not what the two planes are capable of. The typhoon was travelling at speed and using a lot of sky. Big wide vertical turns. The Hercules was staying low and slow with tight turns and some up and down - pretty much a bunt on at least one occasion and close to a wing over on another. Turning speed of the Hercules looked a lot faster than that being taken by the FJ jockey. Wondered why he wasn't low and slow on the Hercs tail but makes sense after easy street's post.
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were spinning around(slowly)
Ask any FJ pilot that's had a crack at the luxury classic 1960's technology albere
and i think they'd all agree....it's not as easy as it looks
and i think they'd all agree....it's not as easy as it looks
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Ask any FJ pilot that's had a crack at the luxury classic 1960's technology albere
and i think they'd all agree....it's not as easy as it looks
and i think they'd all agree....it's not as easy as it looks
But a sneaky attack from a blind spot (lots of those on a C130)? Those fighter pilots are a devious bunch & are most unlikely to play fair in a gentlemanly & dare I say it British fashion (most unlikely if they're the enemy) in which case it's likely to be curtains for the plucky Brits in their trusty Albert (Klassic or non-cupola J Super Hercules).
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I remember talking to a Lynx crew prior to some affil. Their brief (and honest belief) was that we would use the gun vice anything more capable due to cost!
They were quite taken aback when I told them that if I was offered the single air-to-air kill that was likely to occur in my lifetime I would fire everything I had into the beggars - helo or not!
What could possibly be worse than trying to be artistic with a cannon when someone did the job properly with a Fox 3...maybe even your own wingy? That would be roll and pull territory!
They were quite taken aback when I told them that if I was offered the single air-to-air kill that was likely to occur in my lifetime I would fire everything I had into the beggars - helo or not!
What could possibly be worse than trying to be artistic with a cannon when someone did the job properly with a Fox 3...maybe even your own wingy? That would be roll and pull territory!
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I've been lucky enough to practice a fair bit of affil in the Herc over the years. been up against F-14,15,16, Harrier, F3,4,5 Mirage and a few others. Biggest problem on the herc force was a lack of expertise and knowledge of FJ techniques. If you were lucky, you got face to face briefings from the FJ guys and debriefed afterwards. If you were really lucky you got one of them to fly with you. I learnt a load from a Harrier bloke stood behind during a 3 Vs 1 with Harriers. He couldn't stop laughing from the amount of shouting going on. Comms was key to success. It was a real skill for 5 blokes to co-ordinate their commentary and pass the fighter around the windows to the next guy so that the captain could manoeuvre effectively. The poor FE had to stay heads in and fly the throttles to avoid over exuberant pilots making gits of themselves. I've seen very different levels of success achieved, dependant on crew co-ord and kit fitted. Sick bags full of chaff were bizarrely effective at the time. The 'Cheesey' bike pump chaff dispenser was also surprisingly effective. Bottom line- a well trained crew in a herc with the kit stood a chance.
Most impressive fighter ? F-15 from Bitburg did stuff I didn't realise conventional fighters could do. Shot us to ****. but we had been to the oktoberfest the night before
Having flown with both RAF and USAF hercs, interestingly each force has (had) different ideas and techniques. Prob30 not polite to go into detail but I think USAF have had more experience and back then , I think we would have been wise to adopt some of their techniques.
Darned good fun though as I never got to do it in anger unless you count a patriot battery.....
I believe we have some DFC winners who did get to put their training to the test though
Most impressive fighter ? F-15 from Bitburg did stuff I didn't realise conventional fighters could do. Shot us to ****. but we had been to the oktoberfest the night before
Having flown with both RAF and USAF hercs, interestingly each force has (had) different ideas and techniques. Prob30 not polite to go into detail but I think USAF have had more experience and back then , I think we would have been wise to adopt some of their techniques.
Darned good fun though as I never got to do it in anger unless you count a patriot battery.....
I believe we have some DFC winners who did get to put their training to the test though
'That shut them up'
Yes, as did spending a whole afternoon getting past a pair of F3s with an AWACS providing picture....
Or the F3 QWI crew that put an AMRAAM into a truck 'errrr, we'll check the tapes on that one.....'
The F3 crew in MPA that were sent out of Happy Hour for getting shot down by the Chinook 4 times in one afternoon (all witnessed by Mt Kent) and then OC1435 spending 90 minutes trying to find OC 78 in a Sea King, with a yellow blade, on the Stanley Road...
And getting a 5-6 sec sim M134 burst on a Typhoon (from about 300m) who allowed arrogance to get in the way of tactics as he tried to get a guns kill on my wingman...or the pair that spent an hour trying to find me in the Coldstream Valley...
Or the Jag, well, enough said really....
Yes, I've 'lost' as many times as I've 'won', but often a stalemate counts as a win. Best thing is that it's always fun, and pretty much every FJ mate I've put on the jumpseat has loved the experience.
Yes, as did spending a whole afternoon getting past a pair of F3s with an AWACS providing picture....
Or the F3 QWI crew that put an AMRAAM into a truck 'errrr, we'll check the tapes on that one.....'
The F3 crew in MPA that were sent out of Happy Hour for getting shot down by the Chinook 4 times in one afternoon (all witnessed by Mt Kent) and then OC1435 spending 90 minutes trying to find OC 78 in a Sea King, with a yellow blade, on the Stanley Road...
And getting a 5-6 sec sim M134 burst on a Typhoon (from about 300m) who allowed arrogance to get in the way of tactics as he tried to get a guns kill on my wingman...or the pair that spent an hour trying to find me in the Coldstream Valley...
Or the Jag, well, enough said really....
Yes, I've 'lost' as many times as I've 'won', but often a stalemate counts as a win. Best thing is that it's always fun, and pretty much every FJ mate I've put on the jumpseat has loved the experience.
I can only speak as a mere GE, hanging out of a para door, desperate to spot you pointy bugg@rs coming at us. But, I think we always made the effort to avoid you boys getting a result. I've been involved in loads of "fighter affil" in my time and have always enjoyed the sheer thrill of the actual flying at low level. I can say that we nearly always ended up getting stoofed and therefore having to drink copiously to overcome our gloom at losing. But I have to say I always admired the professionalism and tenacity of the drivers up front who always worked hard to put up a "good show". At the end of the day the brief was usually to try and avoid getting hit until the fast jet had to go home for fuel, easier said than done, and, as already stated the 2 v 1 where 1 keeps him turning whilst 2 comes down from above was always curtains. Respect to all FJ Jocks, and also admiration for the Herk pilots who worked their b@lls off to try and get away with it.
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I shot a car once. It was at night and I was attempting to get some shots into the TLT helos that were coming down a sea loch in Scotland. This was made slightly harder by being stuck above Safety Altitude...but there was a full moon and the loch was glistening...and if you don't tell that I sneaked below then I won't.
Anyway, the radar found them (with very little assistance from me) and one by one they turned up different valleys and b#ggered off. Good drills. Apart from the tail end one. He kept coming. Put the radar into STT,called a Fox One, centred up the steering and there in my HUD - being tracked perfectly by the target cross - was a bl##dy set of car's headlights following the coast road.
Hero to zero in approximately 15 seconds.
Anyway, the radar found them (with very little assistance from me) and one by one they turned up different valleys and b#ggered off. Good drills. Apart from the tail end one. He kept coming. Put the radar into STT,called a Fox One, centred up the steering and there in my HUD - being tracked perfectly by the target cross - was a bl##dy set of car's headlights following the coast road.
Hero to zero in approximately 15 seconds.
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There we were on 1312 fighting the mighty F4.
I won't mention the string of paper coffee cups released from the starboard para door.
Nor the roar of the F4 as he hit maximum alpha and shot over the top of us.
OC 1435 was pissed, OC 1312 deflected the ****e.
Apparently a string of coffee cups released from Albert looks just like tracer.
Who knew..........
I won't mention the string of paper coffee cups released from the starboard para door.
Nor the roar of the F4 as he hit maximum alpha and shot over the top of us.
OC 1435 was pissed, OC 1312 deflected the ****e.
Apparently a string of coffee cups released from Albert looks just like tracer.
Who knew..........
Orca,
Happy days on TLT, leading up to 18 RW as part of a 60-70 ship package. I fear we'll never see those days again....
Paper cups as tracer? Priceless. We did try to get some blank M134 ammo once but thought it might be construed as being a bit OTT......
Happy days on TLT, leading up to 18 RW as part of a 60-70 ship package. I fear we'll never see those days again....
Paper cups as tracer? Priceless. We did try to get some blank M134 ammo once but thought it might be construed as being a bit OTT......
