AFPRB:- 2013 Pay rise anyone??
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I understand that they are actually breaking the law as they are failing to provide the statutory notice of rent increases.
I understand that they are actually breaking the law as they are failing to provide the statutory notice of rent increases.
I've just received a notice that my quarter charges are going from Grade 3 to grade 1 and they've given me far less than a month's notice. DIO are simply pointing at JSP464 Para 122 which says, "occupants of the affected accommodation are to be notified in advance of any deduction from pay of any changes to the accommodation charge."
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Public sector rises capped at 1% p/a until 2016?
Even with this year's x-factor enhanced 1.5% that's going to be enough to tip those who's fingers are poised over the pvr button over the edge. That and the pension farce.
The industry I've joined has seen wages rise 12% over the last 3 years. No guarantee of future rises of course, but at least we've got ASLEF fighting our cause! Final salary pension too.
Even with this year's x-factor enhanced 1.5% that's going to be enough to tip those who's fingers are poised over the pvr button over the edge. That and the pension farce.
The industry I've joined has seen wages rise 12% over the last 3 years. No guarantee of future rises of course, but at least we've got ASLEF fighting our cause! Final salary pension too.
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Regrettably WW the the new pay scale does not include the 0.5% X-factor rise. The scales published in the AFPRB Report are not those that have been released in the 'Pay Signal' received by units.
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From the Budget Document:
See here:
HM Treasury: Budget 2013 Dated March 2013
I suggest that if the pay tables do not reflect this statement then they are incorrect.
I await with dread the traditional increases to accommodation and other charges which will more than offset any rises which have been announced.
STH
2.16 Military Pay – In addition to the recent 1 per cent increase in base pay for the armed forces, the X-Factor component of base pay will also be increased by half a percent, as recommended by the independent Armed Forces Pay Review Body, from 1 May 2013. By accepting the recommendations in full, armed forces personnel are receiving a total 1.45 per cent increase in base pay.
HM Treasury: Budget 2013 Dated March 2013
I suggest that if the pay tables do not reflect this statement then they are incorrect.
I await with dread the traditional increases to accommodation and other charges which will more than offset any rises which have been announced.
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The downside of the budget is that pay rises will now be capped at 1% for the next 3 years!
So over a 6 year period (starting 3 years ago), pay will increase by only 4.45% - that's 0%, 0%, 1.45%, 1%, 1%, 1%.
Remind me; how much has RPI/CPI increased in the first 3 years alone?
So over a 6 year period (starting 3 years ago), pay will increase by only 4.45% - that's 0%, 0%, 1.45%, 1%, 1%, 1%.
Remind me; how much has RPI/CPI increased in the first 3 years alone?
Last edited by LFFC; 20th Mar 2013 at 18:22.
Now, it isn't 0.5% increase for all serving full time is it?
It's a 0.5% increase on the 14% X-Factor that Regulars and FTRS(FC) get. A 0.5% increase on the 5% X-Factor that FTRS(LC) get. But absolutely no increase for those on FTRS(HC) terms as they get 0% X-Factor.
Unless, of course, they mean that FTRS(HC) go up to 0.5% X-Factor? Which I am sure is not the case!
LJ
It's a 0.5% increase on the 14% X-Factor that Regulars and FTRS(FC) get. A 0.5% increase on the 5% X-Factor that FTRS(LC) get. But absolutely no increase for those on FTRS(HC) terms as they get 0% X-Factor.
Unless, of course, they mean that FTRS(HC) go up to 0.5% X-Factor? Which I am sure is not the case!
LJ
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Hate to be a pedant, but actually it is 4.524% over the six years, not 4.45%. (The awards are compounding, not additive).
Wouldn't normally interject to correct an inaccuracy so small, but the awards themselves are so meagre it actually makes a difference!
Still - it could be worse ... other countries have had to impose pay cuts on their public sector workers - whilst many UK servicemen and women are still getting their annual increment, and are still promoting, on top of these nominal increases.
As the former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, said: ''I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left''. People shouldn't forget on whose watch this all started ...
Wouldn't normally interject to correct an inaccuracy so small, but the awards themselves are so meagre it actually makes a difference!
Still - it could be worse ... other countries have had to impose pay cuts on their public sector workers - whilst many UK servicemen and women are still getting their annual increment, and are still promoting, on top of these nominal increases.
As the former chief secretary to the Treasury, Liam Byrne, said: ''I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left''. People shouldn't forget on whose watch this all started ...
LFFC
RPI Rates?
2013 3.3% (estimated)
2012 3.1%
2011 4.8%
So from this we are getting 0%+0%+1.45% = 1.45% rise
But we have seen retail prices rise by 11.4%
So in real terms our wages have dropped by ~10% in the last 3 years.
LJ
PS GreenieLynx - I'm too slack to do the compound interest thing!
RPI Rates?
2013 3.3% (estimated)
2012 3.1%
2011 4.8%
So from this we are getting 0%+0%+1.45% = 1.45% rise
But we have seen retail prices rise by 11.4%
So in real terms our wages have dropped by ~10% in the last 3 years.
LJ
PS GreenieLynx - I'm too slack to do the compound interest thing!
Last edited by Lima Juliet; 20th Mar 2013 at 20:50.
While I am incredibly sympathethic to the mil argument about wages dropping in real terms, I must caution that my experience is that the MOD CS are feeling even more hard done by. Far lower wages than their mil counterparts, and no progression on the salary spine for 3 years now (unlike the Mil gaining seniority). The MOD has been told today that at best it will get a 1% average rise in 2015/2016, and also that its salary spine progression is being scrapped.
So, my very strong advice to those of you who work with MOD CS is not to moan too loudly, because the MOD CS is being shafted far more badly than HM Forces, and is taking proportionately far greater job cuts, and higher salary cuts. While we all want to support the military, please remember that your civilian colleagues across the world, both in the UK and in operational theatres are not getting anywhere near as "good" a deal as the military. You are, relatively speaking, getting the best deal of any public servant in HM Govt service for the next 3 years.
So, my very strong advice to those of you who work with MOD CS is not to moan too loudly, because the MOD CS is being shafted far more badly than HM Forces, and is taking proportionately far greater job cuts, and higher salary cuts. While we all want to support the military, please remember that your civilian colleagues across the world, both in the UK and in operational theatres are not getting anywhere near as "good" a deal as the military. You are, relatively speaking, getting the best deal of any public servant in HM Govt service for the next 3 years.
JimLad, whilst I agree with your sentiments, they are free(er) to move on to other careers than us that have to PVR etc. They can, I believe, strike to bring their pay issues to bear. The pension is pretty good too, if what my uncle has recently retired on is anything to go by. Undoubtedly that'll have changed to their detriment, but let's face it they don't get X-factor because they aren't the ones standing on IEDs in Helmand. We shouldn't be afraid to complain if we think aren't getting what we deserve.....
Huey - fair points, but you mifght be surprised at how many MOD CS are in HERRICK right now, and who have done TELIC too.
Also, the pension is nowhere near as good as its mil equivalent (and has to be contributed too as well).
My point is not that you should complain about your lot (as a Reservist I share the frustration at the rise), but that you should be wary about complaining too loud as a lot of other people out there who will never have the support or sympathy of the public are getting a far worse deal. Please just understand that you've got a much better deal than anyone else out there, as a lot of people are feeling very bruised tonight, and not just in HM Forces.
Also, the pension is nowhere near as good as its mil equivalent (and has to be contributed too as well).
My point is not that you should complain about your lot (as a Reservist I share the frustration at the rise), but that you should be wary about complaining too loud as a lot of other people out there who will never have the support or sympathy of the public are getting a far worse deal. Please just understand that you've got a much better deal than anyone else out there, as a lot of people are feeling very bruised tonight, and not just in HM Forces.
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Am I missing something?
"2.16 Military Pay – In addition to the recent 1 per cent increase in base pay for the armed forces, the X-Factor component of base pay will also be increased by half a percent, as recommended by the independent Armed Forces Pay Review Body, from 1 May 2013. By accepting the recommendations in full, armed forces personnel are receiving a total 1.45 per cent increase in base pay."
Surely if the rise in base bay, as recommended by the AFPRB, is 1%, and the rise in X-Factor is to be 0.5% (from 14% to 14.5% of base pay), then the resulting total rise in basic pay will be about 1.156% (but only if paid for the full 12 months)?
Or am I missing something?
Surely if the rise in base bay, as recommended by the AFPRB, is 1%, and the rise in X-Factor is to be 0.5% (from 14% to 14.5% of base pay), then the resulting total rise in basic pay will be about 1.156% (but only if paid for the full 12 months)?
Or am I missing something?
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Ginseng,
By my maths the increase is 1.44%, and that is the same figure you get from the pay amounts listed in the AFPRB report. So whoever put out the 1.45% figure is offering an extra 0.01%. I suggest we keep quiet about that one as there has been enough water under the bridge already! It works like this:
2012 base pay plus 14% old x-factor = 2012 basic pay amount
2012 base pay plus 1% pay increase plus 14.5% new x-factor = 2013 basic pay amount
By my maths the increase is 1.44%, and that is the same figure you get from the pay amounts listed in the AFPRB report. So whoever put out the 1.45% figure is offering an extra 0.01%. I suggest we keep quiet about that one as there has been enough water under the bridge already! It works like this:
2012 base pay plus 14% old x-factor = 2012 basic pay amount
2012 base pay plus 1% pay increase plus 14.5% new x-factor = 2013 basic pay amount
Last edited by Jacks Down; 21st Mar 2013 at 15:57.
Application of 0.5% X-Factor is not going to all who qualify for it...
So nothing for MPGS, FTRS(LC) or FTRS(HC)...
LJ
The 0.5% increase to X-Factor will apply to Regular Forces, Mobilised Reservists, Full-Commitment Full time Reserve Service, and the Gibraltar Regiment Regulars. The level of X-Factor for the Military Provost Guard Service, Home-Commitment and Limited- Commitment Full Time Reserve Service remains unchanged.
LJ
FTRS (LC) personnel have identical pay to their Regular counterparts but receive only 5% X-factor compared to the 14% paid to Regulars.* They do not have any entitlement to Service Families Accommodation, medical and dental care or allowances but they are eligible to apply for Single Living Accommodation if required. FTRS (LC) may be detached from their parent unit for up to 35 days per annum, subject to no single period exceeding 21 days.
Not quite. FTRS(LC) deployed/detached for up to 3 weeks at a time and then a further 2 weeks each year. They may volunteer to do more as can FTRS(HC).
LJ