22 Tips for Dodging Drones
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Didn't do this lot much good anyhow....
Warning, a bit graphic....
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=f213b73d647e
Warning, a bit graphic....
http://www.liveleak.com/ll_embed?f=f213b73d647e
4. Placing a group of skilled snipers to hunt the drone, especially the
reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometres or less.
-Good luck with trying to reach that there Global Hawk with your
sniper rifles.
reconnaissance ones because they fly low, about six kilometres or less.
-Good luck with trying to reach that there Global Hawk with your
sniper rifles.
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In that video we see a man who put his hands on his head but was still blown away; we see men injured beyond being able to continue combat being blown away.
There is obviously something wrong with this type of warfare - that is, if we think that it is we who hold the moral high ground.
There is obviously something wrong with this type of warfare - that is, if we think that it is we who hold the moral high ground.
In that video we see a man who put his hands on his head but was still blown away;
we see men injured beyond being able to continue combat
being blown away.
being blown away.
There is obviously something wrong with this type of warfare -
There is something wrong with your attitude, and your alleged understanding of warfare.
Lonewolf, the UK legal interpretation for The Rules of Engagement and the Law of Armed Combat do not permit combatants to shoot at people who are surrendering or who no longer pose a threat because of their injuries.
We do as we are told or suffer the legal consequences of our actions, just as US Forces do.
I appreciate that the UK and US interpretations are different, but I am comfortable with the UK rulings and we have a fair understanding of warfare.
We do as we are told or suffer the legal consequences of our actions, just as US Forces do.
I appreciate that the UK and US interpretations are different, but I am comfortable with the UK rulings and we have a fair understanding of warfare.
Just this once, you are making the assertion of omniscience of the aircrew involved. I find that position hard to credit. Hindsight isn't available on the battlefield.
Beyond that, I am keenly aware of the LOAC and RoE, thanks all the same, national and coalition.
Beyond that, I am keenly aware of the LOAC and RoE, thanks all the same, national and coalition.
Thank you, sir, and I apologize for being snarky. Wasn't needed.
FWIW, Financial times has an interesting piece on this very topic.
The cyber age demands new rules of war - FT.com
I've been making a similar point since about the mid 1990's, to mostly deaf ears.
FWIW, Financial times has an interesting piece on this very topic.
The cyber age demands new rules of war - FT.com
I've been making a similar point since about the mid 1990's, to mostly deaf ears.
Just a small question. How would anyone actually surrender to a "drone"? Is it likely to stop and take them prisoner or might the enemy combatants just hold up their hands and wait until it went home before resuming their mission? Perhaps that's a good one to add to this thread:
If threatened by an air attack by a drone, hold your hand up in the air until it goes away. That's probably the first one that might actually work.
If threatened by an air attack by a drone, hold your hand up in the air until it goes away. That's probably the first one that might actually work.
There is anecdotal evidence, Courtney, of a number of Iraqis in 1991 who tried to surrender to a US drone on one of the Islands in the Northern PG.
Another group actually surrendered to helicopter crew (Army) based on the USS Jarrett. The pilot in command had to land and accept surrender. I hope to someday find an account of his mission that day on the net. The Iraqis on the island were running short of food and water, among their other troubles.
Quaruh or Karuh Island, I can't recall how to spell it.
Another group actually surrendered to helicopter crew (Army) based on the USS Jarrett. The pilot in command had to land and accept surrender. I hope to someday find an account of his mission that day on the net. The Iraqis on the island were running short of food and water, among their other troubles.
Quaruh or Karuh Island, I can't recall how to spell it.
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Lonewolf
I will send you a PM with the page of the book that
covers the surrender to the helicopter pilots.
I had seen it before and looked it up.
I now see where you get your name "Lonewolf 50" from
I will send you a PM with the page of the book that
covers the surrender to the helicopter pilots.
I had seen it before and looked it up.
I now see where you get your name "Lonewolf 50" from
Last edited by 500N; 25th Feb 2013 at 19:01.
Ah yes, 500N, thank you! A good friend of mine was the aircraft commander on the Lonewolf that day, and I must confess to my memory failing: USS Curts, not USS Jarrett.. OK, it's only been 23 years, but I should remember better. Same aircraft commander was the first man I know of to do mine sweeping over land with an SH-60B Seahawk. Different story for a different time.
Another friend of mine was on Jarrett, and he had "fun" things happen to him as well.
OK, it's only been 23 years, but I should remember better. Same aircraft commander was the first man I know of to do mine sweeping over land with an SH-60B Seahawk. Different story for a different time. Another friend of mine was on Jarrett, and he had "fun" things happen to him as well.
If you think those 21-22 Tips are the best they can do....you badly under-estimate the Enemy. They are far smarter than that list indicates
I bet they're all getting quite handy with all manner of cheapo Chinese electronics.
Desert Shield/Storm Anecdote The surrender of Iraqi troops to an unmanned aerial vehicle did actually happen. All of the UAV units at various times had individuals or groups attempt to signal the Pioneer, possibly to indicate willingness to surrender. However, the most famous incident occurred when USS Missouri (BB 63), using her Pioneer to spot 16 inch gunfire, devastated the defenses of Faylaka Island off the coast near Kuwait City.
Shortly thereafter, while still over the horizon and invisible to the defenders, the USS Wisconsin (BB 64) sent her Pioneer over the island at low altitude. When the UAV came over the island, the defenders heard the obnoxious sound of the two-cycle engine since the air vehicle was intentionally flown low to let the Iraqis know that they were being targeted. Recognizing that with the "vulture" overhead, there would soon be more of those 2,000-pound naval gunfire rounds landing on their positions with the same accuracy, the Iraqis made the right choice and, using handkerchiefs, undershirts, and bedsheets, they signaled their desire to surrender.
Shortly thereafter, while still over the horizon and invisible to the defenders, the USS Wisconsin (BB 64) sent her Pioneer over the island at low altitude. When the UAV came over the island, the defenders heard the obnoxious sound of the two-cycle engine since the air vehicle was intentionally flown low to let the Iraqis know that they were being targeted. Recognizing that with the "vulture" overhead, there would soon be more of those 2,000-pound naval gunfire rounds landing on their positions with the same accuracy, the Iraqis made the right choice and, using handkerchiefs, undershirts, and bedsheets, they signaled their desire to surrender.
