United Kingdom Military RT Phraseology
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What DML said.
Sadly though, I've been controlling at a UK mil base for most of the past 17yrs & had 1 ten min flight in a gazelle; aircrew are seen in the tower as often as a blue moon and then they just get what they need & leave. Sad. Doesn't help that all the ATC personnel are civvy therefore not just Dark Side, but Dark, DARK Side!
Sadly though, I've been controlling at a UK mil base for most of the past 17yrs & had 1 ten min flight in a gazelle; aircrew are seen in the tower as often as a blue moon and then they just get what they need & leave. Sad. Doesn't help that all the ATC personnel are civvy therefore not just Dark Side, but Dark, DARK Side!
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I knew a WWII Spit pilot (Len Brett RIP) who often said "as a pilot you got posted to Air Traffic if you'd been naughty" ... another one of his phases was "Air Traffic ... purely an advisory service young Coff." Times gone by ...
Coff.
Nah ... Snotty bit if fablon covered ex ERS stuffed in knee pocket ... with a big red line under the 15Kts component line
Coff.
Coff, I can see you turning finals with your ERS out checking the crosswind!
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As I change from ground to tower having already been told to hold shout of the runway. I check in with tower saying "xxxx taxing to hold short of runway xx".
The Deci PARs were always good because of the way they chatted you down the slope: "Vixeeen, how many sheeps are you?" "Okay, you're a leetle bit high, you come down a bit. Ah, a thatsa a better, now youra looking okay". As for the UK PARs, Yeovilton had it by a mile. With so many skirt-wearing ATCOs (and quite a few of them being female), we were totally spoilt for the most sexy sounding, sultry talkdowns. One in particular had us clamouring for a PAR even when it was blue +++ (and she was fun in the Wardroom jacuzzi )
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I know when I am beaten ! I now don't bother to keep the conversation down to two short transmissions that leave any one on the frequency in no doubt on my intentions and clearance limit , it being clear that there is the time and inclination to have three transmissions that say less.
I will leave the brevity for Newark, Boston, Gatwick and Amsterdam.
I will leave the brevity for Newark, Boston, Gatwick and Amsterdam.
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You should know by now not to argue with the mil! Just agree then carry on doing what you've always done....
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I will leave the brevity for Newark, Boston, Gatwick and Amsterdam.
Has the Deci supersonic line reached Menorca yet? Every year it seemed to creep further and further west....
"Confeeermm canopy a-closed!"
Deci - you knew when it was getting lively in the Quadraplegic Club when the poor unfortunate Italian SDO came in and gave a ceremonial Reading of the Rules in his immaculate uniform, complete with leetle peestol. One year J** D**r, our navigator of dark hue, disarmed the poor chap, before pointing the gun in his general direction and yelling "No-one moves - or the n****r gets it!".
I guess the RAF doesn't do Deci anymore?
"Confeeermm canopy a-closed!"
Deci - you knew when it was getting lively in the Quadraplegic Club when the poor unfortunate Italian SDO came in and gave a ceremonial Reading of the Rules in his immaculate uniform, complete with leetle peestol. One year J** D**r, our navigator of dark hue, disarmed the poor chap, before pointing the gun in his general direction and yelling "No-one moves - or the n****r gets it!".
I guess the RAF doesn't do Deci anymore?
My favourite was a day the range was closed because 'the diver, he is a-sick'.
The yanks actually started the full rigmarole of filing flight plans to do the 2000' 'low level' route, one every twenty minutes (which was the max. allowed ISTR). The Italians were now faced with having to process these - real work(!). One hour later 'The range, she is a-open! The diver, he not sick'
The yanks actually started the full rigmarole of filing flight plans to do the 2000' 'low level' route, one every twenty minutes (which was the max. allowed ISTR). The Italians were now faced with having to process these - real work(!). One hour later 'The range, she is a-open! The diver, he not sick'
Middle of summer, eight eights blue. Call to the Ops desk, "The airfield she is a closed!" Why? Fog!
Take sqn mini to the met office where I am shown the fog! Turns out that someone has lit a bonfire which has obscured one of the eight visual reference points!
When it is observed that seven other reference points were clearly visible, guess what?
"The airfield she is a open again"
Just one range slot lost!!
Take sqn mini to the met office where I am shown the fog! Turns out that someone has lit a bonfire which has obscured one of the eight visual reference points!
When it is observed that seven other reference points were clearly visible, guess what?
"The airfield she is a open again"
Just one range slot lost!!
Figure of Merit:
@ 9 miles (ish): Call talkdown on #.
Talkdown: Read back QFE. Call localiser established.
@ 3.5 miles: Check gear down (acknowledge).
@ 2.5 miles: Surface wind is .....
@ 9 miles (ish): Call talkdown on #.
Talkdown: Read back QFE. Call localiser established.
@ 3.5 miles: Check gear down (acknowledge).
@ 2.5 miles: Surface wind is .....
Reminds me of a certain deployed airfield in the Balkans where ATC was Italian. We took off in the small hours, field ops before ATC had crewed in. Shallow fog up to about 30' then ginners all the way up.
I recovered for refuel at about 8am for refuel. ATC crewed in as I was refuelling.
I Called for a VFR departure to the East.
Got "negative sir, the airfield eees a IFR"
Replied: "I've been airborne all morning, and I'd to go VFR"
Got: negateeeve, airafeeld isa IFR.
Replied: Ok, I'd like IFR departure, 50' direct to the East.
I heard the microphone drop and then get picked back up...
Got: owakay, youa goa VFR...
I recovered for refuel at about 8am for refuel. ATC crewed in as I was refuelling.
I Called for a VFR departure to the East.
Got "negative sir, the airfield eees a IFR"
Replied: "I've been airborne all morning, and I'd to go VFR"
Got: negateeeve, airafeeld isa IFR.
Replied: Ok, I'd like IFR departure, 50' direct to the East.
I heard the microphone drop and then get picked back up...
Got: owakay, youa goa VFR...