Iranian Stealth Fighter "Qaher 313" (for midgets)
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Have you had access to the highly classifed documents covering the subject (in which case you shouldn't be discussing it here ) or is this an opinion derived from the interweb and meeja?
Everyone who took a flag and ran with the mob, should take some lessons learned, to prevent another embarrassment next time.
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So you're saying Saddam was misunderstood? He didn't need to be demonised by the media. He was a demon. He was a brutal, vicious dictator who started a couple of wars, one against Iran and another against Kuwait. Not to mention his actions against his own people. His downfall was of his own making.
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not sure what rock you've been living under but Iran hasn't actually made any secret of it's anti western, anti US anti Israeli attitudes. It's known to sponsor terrorism and undermine it's neighbours. It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general. It's trying to prop up the Syrian regime at the moment.
No need ask them, they'll tell you. You don't always get to pick your enemies. They often pick you.
Either you're particularly naive or have an agenda.
Iran won't be invaded by anyone, there is no strategic interest in attacking Iran. None whatsoever. As long as Iran simply continues with this sabre rattling and avoids actually attacking or invading one of it's neighbours or Israel. Then they'll be left in their little box. No one is interested in attacking Iran. In any case it would be a nightmare to suppress.
Saddam made the mistake of getting expansionist and became a threat to Arab and western interests. The Iranians are not as stupid as their little model plane makes them look. Much of their posturing is for domestic consumption anyway. Having external 'enemies' to hate is a good way of deflecting internal dissent. It's a favourite method of despotic regimes.
The way all the Arab countries descended into turmoil, must make the Mullahs very nervous indeed. They could be next. Sooner the better in my opinion.
Ol' saddam was demonised in the 'meeja'- then he was invaded. it got so mad that a majority of US citizens were eventually persuaded that he was responsible for 9/11.
We're witnessing the same demonisation of Iran now- you just stated it in your last post! how the hell do you know they regard us as the enemy?
Have you asked them?
We're witnessing the same demonisation of Iran now- you just stated it in your last post! how the hell do you know they regard us as the enemy?
Have you asked them?
But that's neither here nor there. I'm not sure what rock you've been living under but Iran hasn't actually made any secret of it's anti western, anti US anti Israeli attitudes. It's known to sponsor terrorism and undermine it's neighbours. It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general. It's trying to prop up the Syrian regime at the moment.
No need ask them, they'll tell you. You don't always get to pick your enemies. They often pick you.
Either you're particularly naive or have an agenda.
Iran won't be invaded by anyone, there is no strategic interest in attacking Iran. None whatsoever. As long as Iran simply continues with this sabre rattling and avoids actually attacking or invading one of it's neighbours or Israel. Then they'll be left in their little box. No one is interested in attacking Iran. In any case it would be a nightmare to suppress.
Saddam made the mistake of getting expansionist and became a threat to Arab and western interests. The Iranians are not as stupid as their little model plane makes them look. Much of their posturing is for domestic consumption anyway. Having external 'enemies' to hate is a good way of deflecting internal dissent. It's a favourite method of despotic regimes.
The way all the Arab countries descended into turmoil, must make the Mullahs very nervous indeed. They could be next. Sooner the better in my opinion.
Had an interesting discussion with an emigre Iranian businessman a week ago.
Iranian Government hands out business loans to all and sundry; huge amounts. Businesman is forced to use most of this on bribes to officials. Factory, whatever, may be built but now has insufficient capital to turn a profit, so goes bust in 6 months. Government bank writes off loan. No blame attached to businessman (quite rightly, in fact). Cycle begins again.
He seemed like a genuine bloke, but I have no corroboration so I thought I'd mention it for discussion. It would explain why an intensive research program and so-called aircraft industry can come up with nothing better than what you might expect from the Greybridge School Model Aircraft Club.
Effectively, the oil money is being distributed in bribes. The economy is thus entirely dependent on oil revenues. If the source of revenue is cut off for any reason, one might expect some rash action from the Government to sustain themselves in power in the face of economic collapse. And if that Government happens to have a couple of nukes handy......
Iranian Government hands out business loans to all and sundry; huge amounts. Businesman is forced to use most of this on bribes to officials. Factory, whatever, may be built but now has insufficient capital to turn a profit, so goes bust in 6 months. Government bank writes off loan. No blame attached to businessman (quite rightly, in fact). Cycle begins again.
He seemed like a genuine bloke, but I have no corroboration so I thought I'd mention it for discussion. It would explain why an intensive research program and so-called aircraft industry can come up with nothing better than what you might expect from the Greybridge School Model Aircraft Club.
Effectively, the oil money is being distributed in bribes. The economy is thus entirely dependent on oil revenues. If the source of revenue is cut off for any reason, one might expect some rash action from the Government to sustain themselves in power in the face of economic collapse. And if that Government happens to have a couple of nukes handy......
No barbers pole and a Vne of of 260 knots.
Built in a boat shed and displayed in an equestrian arena. That would explain it's size and dodgy aero set up. It had get through the doors of both.
halas
Built in a boat shed and displayed in an equestrian arena. That would explain it's size and dodgy aero set up. It had get through the doors of both.
halas
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It seems the "It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general."
by the clown "I'm-a-dinner-jacket" is only allowed to continue until he
over steps the mark and then gets told to pull his head in by the head honchos.
I think he is only in that position as a puppet until they want
or need someone else.
Just my HO.
It seems the "It has a completely antagonistic attitude to the west in general."
by the clown "I'm-a-dinner-jacket" is only allowed to continue until he
over steps the mark and then gets told to pull his head in by the head honchos.
I think he is only in that position as a puppet until they want
or need someone else.
Just my HO.
Back to the original thread....
An `interesting` ejection seat installed - Bits of an MBA Mk.7 style integrated Harness as used on Buccs & Phantom but with no visible QRB or Neg G strapping. CRU-60 O2 regulator attachment etc etc.
Suggests an anthropometric mock up for integration work?
A bit like those at AMTC/IAM/RAFCAM woteva...
Suggests an anthropometric mock up for integration work?
A bit like those at AMTC/IAM/RAFCAM woteva...
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Suggests an anthropometric mock up for integration work?
The western observers/ press (not analysts..) however stumble over each other to say this thing can't fly, lacks this and that, is a deceptive mock-up etc.
Apparently we just hear / see what we want to & fits our agenda's.
Keesje,
If it were an anthropometry tool, it would, by definition, need to be full size. Similarly there is no point doing cockpit integration work, if you then go and change the scale on the real thing.
If it were an anthropometry tool, it would, by definition, need to be full size. Similarly there is no point doing cockpit integration work, if you then go and change the scale on the real thing.
Courtney Mil
Take your point, CM ....however, its just what Bo*ing did with F-3* when they realised the nose wheel tyre (or tire in spam-speak) had been omitted in design drawing! (allegedly) It caused a certain purveyor of gentlemen's flight furniture some problems, when part of the cockpit floor rose about 4 inches 
Or...Perhaps.. they really believe their anthro range is mainly 5%ile....they would not be the first Asian Airforce to do so...
Or...Perhaps.. they really believe their anthro range is mainly 5%ile....they would not be the first Asian Airforce to do so...
Sweet christ it's a bodge up - nothing more. Every so often Iran claims to have some technology or capability & more often than not it hasn't. It ability to wage war with what it sees as it's enemies are more about supplying terrorists and arms to terrorists not having the latest in glass fibre technology.
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Exactly what I was going to put.
Keejse
Only those FOS need to use Photoshop and the more they
do, the more people become suspicious.
The rest fly it behind a C-130 or chase plane and take real photos.
Exactly what I was going to put.
Keejse
Only those FOS need to use Photoshop and the more they
do, the more people become suspicious.
The rest fly it behind a C-130 or chase plane and take real photos.
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Load Toad, 500N, Courtney Mil, you folks might have some catching up to do on modern media
This photo was photo shopped by a local newssite, Khouz News, a website focusing on news from the southwest province of Khuzestan
طر*/ پرواز جنگنده قاهر برفراز دماوند
If you want to believe the Iran ministry of defense is trying to fool you and the rest of the world, you are totally free to do so !
Small detail, the original is a stealth glider UAV, no engine, no pilot
http://toca.ir/page_org/www.toca.ir_..._1024_1024.jpg
This photo was photo shopped by a local newssite, Khouz News, a website focusing on news from the southwest province of Khuzestan
طر*/ پرواز جنگنده قاهر برفراز دماوند
If you want to believe the Iran ministry of defense is trying to fool you and the rest of the world, you are totally free to do so !
Small detail, the original is a stealth glider UAV, no engine, no pilot
http://toca.ir/page_org/www.toca.ir_..._1024_1024.jpg