C-17 landing at wrong airport - crew fatigue?
There are two types of pilot, those who have mis-identified an airfield and those who have yet to do so. I don't think I know of any pilot with significant experience who has not confused the identity of an airfield to some degree.
If you are fortunate the confusion is not critical, the error is quickly realised and corrected and you learn a valuable lesson. If you are unlucky the answer to the question "Do you think anyone noticed?" is a resounding "Yes!".
YS
Been there seen it, done it and watched others do it.
If you are fortunate the confusion is not critical, the error is quickly realised and corrected and you learn a valuable lesson. If you are unlucky the answer to the question "Do you think anyone noticed?" is a resounding "Yes!".
YS
Been there seen it, done it and watched others do it.
...a student pilot in his Cessna landed at Shawbury instead of Sleap
I don't think I know of any pilot with significant experience who has not confused the identity of an airfield to some degree.
But thanks for being good enough not to complain..
Hope you liked the blue note!
Below the Glidepath - not correcting
The reports go on to state - it is not clear on what basis or where they obtained their information - that the first airfield the crew saw was Tampa Executive which unfortunately they mis-identified as Peter O Knight, and therefore "knew" that the next airfield on track "must be" MacDill.
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S76Heavy (#4) and Yellow Sun (#22) have the right of it. It happens, it's happened before, it'll happen again.
Done it myself, no excuse, got four extra weekend SDOs from the Station Commander (full story some day on "Earning Pilot's Brevet in WWII" - if I live that long !)
Done it myself, no excuse, got four extra weekend SDOs from the Station Commander (full story some day on "Earning Pilot's Brevet in WWII" - if I live that long !)
Leeming and Dishforth was another favourite, both 16/34, 10 miles down the road (A1) from each other)
I was joining at Leeming when a CFS JP (with the Chief Instructor on board, no less) called downwind and then finals
ATC "Don't have you visual, check you're not at Dishforth"
pause
(no callsign) "HOW embarrassing!"
I was joining at Leeming when a CFS JP (with the Chief Instructor on board, no less) called downwind and then finals
ATC "Don't have you visual, check you're not at Dishforth"
pause
(no callsign) "HOW embarrassing!"
It does, however, state that in the days prior to the incident the crew “flew into complex airfields, dealt with multiple mission changes and flew long mission legs with several stops each day.”
The mission for the botched flight, which originated in Rome, had been changed several times before the final assignment of MacDill came about one hour before the Globemaster departed on July 20.
Several factors, including previous time zone changes, contributed to the pilot and copilot not operating at full mental capacity. The report stated that the pilot was acting at a 79 percent cognitive effectiveness and the copilot 89 percent. In comparison, a 0.08 percent blood alcohol level reduces the cognitive capacity to 70 percent.
The mission for the botched flight, which originated in Rome, had been changed several times before the final assignment of MacDill came about one hour before the Globemaster departed on July 20.
Several factors, including previous time zone changes, contributed to the pilot and copilot not operating at full mental capacity. The report stated that the pilot was acting at a 79 percent cognitive effectiveness and the copilot 89 percent. In comparison, a 0.08 percent blood alcohol level reduces the cognitive capacity to 70 percent.
The report showed no record of who was in charge of the airplane, nor does it indicate whether any disciplinary action was taken against the crew,
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Misident Tengah/Seletar
@tankertrashnav #9
You mention a Javelin landing at Seletar instead of Tengah in 1967.
As a Tengah habitue 1962-64, I wonder if the story is more complicated than for the other misident cases. I remember Seletar as being relatively small and old-fashioned. Current Seletar sites put the runway on 03/21, which is significantly different to Tengah's 18/36.
Is there a really interesting story to be told ?
best wishes
R
You mention a Javelin landing at Seletar instead of Tengah in 1967.
As a Tengah habitue 1962-64, I wonder if the story is more complicated than for the other misident cases. I remember Seletar as being relatively small and old-fashioned. Current Seletar sites put the runway on 03/21, which is significantly different to Tengah's 18/36.
Is there a really interesting story to be told ?
best wishes
R
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If you are over Tampa Executive airport, heading roughly South West (having approached from the North East) but think you are over Peter O Knight airport, then the airport that is now visible some 8 miles ahead and roughly on track - which is in fact Peter O Knight airport - could easily be mis-identified as MacDill AFB.
No, it isn't, have a look here
Peter O Knight airport is about 4 miles to the North East of MacDill AFB.
Tampa Executive airport is about 8 miles to the North East of Peter O Knight airport, and around 12 miles to the North East of MacDill AFB.
Is it possible that you also may just have mis-identified an airport?
Best Regards
Bellerophon
...if you are over Tampa Exec, but think you are over Peter O Knight, then expect to see McDill on the nose you are heading exactly 180 degrees out from what you think you are...
...Peter O Knight is in the west side of Tampa Bay...McDill is on the east side of Tampa Bay...
Peter O Knight airport is about 4 miles to the North East of MacDill AFB.
Tampa Executive airport is about 8 miles to the North East of Peter O Knight airport, and around 12 miles to the North East of MacDill AFB.
Is it possible that you also may just have mis-identified an airport?
Best Regards
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BOAC Comet at Juhu instead of Bombay (sic).
Woodford instead of Manchester ... similar runway direction .. USAF F111 does sunny Sunday airshow at EGCC .... Air France Caravelle seen going around and jinking right for Manch...
The list is endless...
Woodford instead of Manchester ... similar runway direction .. USAF F111 does sunny Sunday airshow at EGCC .... Air France Caravelle seen going around and jinking right for Manch...
The list is endless...
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I am not in possession of all the factors in this 'fatigue'/tired incident, nor does it really matter which field is where or who has been where in the past. The very basic lesson this crew appear to have forgotten is when you feel completely knackered, either don't try a visual, let George take the strain, or if you do, back up the aids for the runway of choice. There really was no excuse I can see.
when you feel completely knackered,
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Leeming and Dishforth was another favourite, both 16/34, 10 miles down the
road (A1) from each other)
I was joining at Leeming when a CFS JP (with the Chief Instructor on board,
no less) called downwind and then finals
ATC "Don't have you visual, check you're not at Dishforth"
pause
(no callsign) "HOW embarrassing!"
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Originally Posted by MG
when you feel completely knackered, you don't always think logically.
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To add to the list, ISTR a VC-10 in 70/71 getting Sharjah and Dubai confused. Parallel runways a few miles apart and (in them days) not much else apart from the runways.
Can't remember whether it was BOAC, Gulf Air or CrabAir though ......
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From the "Wrongway" link:
... probably very lucky this mistake wasn't the other way round ........
As they say, I'm sure IDF would have "suitably counselled him on his error of judgement!"
Can't remember whether it was BOAC, Gulf Air or CrabAir though ......
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From the "Wrongway" link:
April 22, 1978 - A Maverick Air aircraft, bound for Tel Aviv, Israel (TLV), mistakenly lands at Beirut, Lebanon (BEY). See "Cargo Pilot Finds Wrong Airport," Washington Post, April 24, 1978.
As they say, I'm sure IDF would have "suitably counselled him on his error of judgement!"
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International flight checkers meet at Benson in the late 80's / early 90's cue foreign air force twin jet landing at Chalgrove, then does a rapid turn round to fly a couple of miles down the road to the correct place.
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However, it is surprising that the pilots of the heavy jet didn’t notice the
difference in the runway lengths. KTPF’s runway is only about one third of the
length of MacDill’s.