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Defense News: Chinese Generals Call For War With Just About Everyone
Veteran journalist and writer David Lague, now with Reuters in Hong Kong, has written in great detail in a new report, China’s Military Hawks Take The Offensive, that Chinese senior military officers are taking to expressing their calls for war against regional neighbors to the airwaves of Chinese Tv and radio, Internet blogs, and public speeches.
Lague looks at the recent speech by Chinese Lt. General Ren Haiquan at an October gathering of international military officers at Melbourne’s Crown Casino. The speech began nice enough, but quickly degenerated into a rant against Japan’s control of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. Japanese officers, including Army Lt. General Yoshiaki Nakagawa, left immediately after the speech.
Key Excerpts:
“Ren’s provocative dinner talk was no isolated outburst. His message was typical of the increasingly hawkish rhetoric coming from senior officers in the People’s Liberation Army.”
“But the combative streak speaks to profound shifts in Chinese politics and foreign policy that transcend the heat of the moment. The more provocative of these officers call for ‘short, sharp wars’ to assert China’s sovereignty. Others urge Beijing to ‘strike first’, ‘prepare for conflict’ or ‘kill a chicken to scare the monkeys’.”
“Among the most bellicose are in a group of about 20 military officers who have become star media and online performers in recent years, including Air Force Colonel Dai Xu, retired army Major General Luo Yuan and Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong.”
“The Air Force Colonel, Dai Xu, is renowned for his regular calls to arms. With China in dispute for much of last year with Japan in the East China Sea and Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea, Dai argued a short, decisive war, like China’s 1962 border clash with India, would deliver long-term peace. He also said Washington would not risk war with China over these territorial spats.”
“‘Since we have decided that the U.S. is bluffing in the East China Sea, we should take this opportunity to respond to these empty provocations with something real,’ he wrote in an August 28 commentary published in the Chinese-language edition of the Global Times.”
“‘This includes Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, who are the three running dogs of the United States in Asia,’ added Dai, a researcher at Beijing University’s China Centre for Strategic Studies. ‘We only need to kill one, and it will immediately bring the others to heel.’”
“Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong is the best-known of the hawk commentators, appearing frequently as a program host on CCTV 7 and other state-run television outlets. Virulently anti-American, he has a low opinion of U.S. military capabilities and willingness to suffer casualties. The United States would ‘run like a rabbit’ if China went to war with Japan over the Diaoyu Islands, he told state television on August 12.”
Veteran journalist and writer David Lague, now with Reuters in Hong Kong, has written in great detail in a new report, China’s Military Hawks Take The Offensive, that Chinese senior military officers are taking to expressing their calls for war against regional neighbors to the airwaves of Chinese Tv and radio, Internet blogs, and public speeches.
Lague looks at the recent speech by Chinese Lt. General Ren Haiquan at an October gathering of international military officers at Melbourne’s Crown Casino. The speech began nice enough, but quickly degenerated into a rant against Japan’s control of the Senkaku/Diaoyu Islands. Japanese officers, including Army Lt. General Yoshiaki Nakagawa, left immediately after the speech.
Key Excerpts:
“Ren’s provocative dinner talk was no isolated outburst. His message was typical of the increasingly hawkish rhetoric coming from senior officers in the People’s Liberation Army.”
“But the combative streak speaks to profound shifts in Chinese politics and foreign policy that transcend the heat of the moment. The more provocative of these officers call for ‘short, sharp wars’ to assert China’s sovereignty. Others urge Beijing to ‘strike first’, ‘prepare for conflict’ or ‘kill a chicken to scare the monkeys’.”
“Among the most bellicose are in a group of about 20 military officers who have become star media and online performers in recent years, including Air Force Colonel Dai Xu, retired army Major General Luo Yuan and Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong.”
“The Air Force Colonel, Dai Xu, is renowned for his regular calls to arms. With China in dispute for much of last year with Japan in the East China Sea and Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea, Dai argued a short, decisive war, like China’s 1962 border clash with India, would deliver long-term peace. He also said Washington would not risk war with China over these territorial spats.”
“‘Since we have decided that the U.S. is bluffing in the East China Sea, we should take this opportunity to respond to these empty provocations with something real,’ he wrote in an August 28 commentary published in the Chinese-language edition of the Global Times.”
“‘This includes Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, who are the three running dogs of the United States in Asia,’ added Dai, a researcher at Beijing University’s China Centre for Strategic Studies. ‘We only need to kill one, and it will immediately bring the others to heel.’”
“Rear Admiral Zhang Zhaozhong is the best-known of the hawk commentators, appearing frequently as a program host on CCTV 7 and other state-run television outlets. Virulently anti-American, he has a low opinion of U.S. military capabilities and willingness to suffer casualties. The United States would ‘run like a rabbit’ if China went to war with Japan over the Diaoyu Islands, he told state television on August 12.”
Probably true.....but then this ol' Rabbit has got some long teeth! That and if we go to war....we write off their Debt and call it a deal! That might be the answer to our Debt problem....so they might want to think carefully about all this.
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The U.S.A.'s original aim, going back many years was actually to become indebted to China to such an extent, and then get someone to upset China sufficiently that they start a war.
Excellent tactics. Worthy of not only a ten year plan, but also a twenty ear plan.
The U.S.A.'s original aim, going back many years was actually to become indebted to China to such an extent, and then get someone to upset China sufficiently that they start a war.
Excellent tactics. Worthy of not only a ten year plan, but also a twenty ear plan.
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Chinese army told: "be well-prepared for a war"
China could be preparing for war, according to the latest directive to the People's Liberation Army
..........Allen Carlson, an associate professor of government at Cornell University, told the Voice of America news website that China could be merely sabre rattling.
“I still think, and perhaps I am wrong, that most of this is bluffing, an extreme form of such an action, and not one that is not without the risk of escalation, but still falls short of an actual declaration of war, and from direct military engagement,” he said........
China could be preparing for war, according to the latest directive to the People's Liberation Army
..........Allen Carlson, an associate professor of government at Cornell University, told the Voice of America news website that China could be merely sabre rattling.
“I still think, and perhaps I am wrong, that most of this is bluffing, an extreme form of such an action, and not one that is not without the risk of escalation, but still falls short of an actual declaration of war, and from direct military engagement,” he said........
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Just as well the "Mutt Romney" didn't win the election. From what I could gather from the debates he would have declared both Russia and China as enemies and attacked Iran on his first day in office. Not the wisest of moves.
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The U.S.A.'s original aim, going back many years was actually to become indebted to China to such an extent, and then get someone to upset China sufficiently that they start a war. Excellent tactics. Worthy of not only a ten year plan, but also a twenty year plan.
Go check how many components of your average piece of military electronics are sourced from China. Then tell me again who had the excellent plan.
Go check how many components of your average piece of military electronics are sourced from China. Then tell me again who had the excellent plan.
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Go check how many components of your average piece of military electronics are sourced from China. Then tell me again who had the excellent plan.
The components come from Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia, etc... and are assembled into complete units in China.
Take China out of the chain and someone else steps in to do the final assembly... perhaps even plants in the US?
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I was recently part of an exercise which followed the supply chain for some embedded systems back to source. I won't quote the exact figure but let's say a 'substantial portion' of the elements required to fabricate the components for these systems originated in China.
Comments which could be construed as perpetuating the myth that all the Chinese can do is assemble or appropriate the products of a superior western brain are less than helpful. They simply form part of a long-running back story which encourages a nation itching to prove how far it has progressed militarily to do just that.
Anyway, to return to the OP, Ren Haiquan may be making the noise but Zhang Zhaozhong is an even more amusing fellow. He has many interesting ideas on asymmetric warfare...
Comments which could be construed as perpetuating the myth that all the Chinese can do is assemble or appropriate the products of a superior western brain are less than helpful. They simply form part of a long-running back story which encourages a nation itching to prove how far it has progressed militarily to do just that.
Anyway, to return to the OP, Ren Haiquan may be making the noise but Zhang Zhaozhong is an even more amusing fellow. He has many interesting ideas on asymmetric warfare...
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Take China out of the chain and someone else steps in to do the final assembly... perhaps even plants in the US?
China has a near stranglehold on some key rare earth metals which are required to everything from smartphones to lasers to weapons. China briefly cut Japan off last year in a spat over fishing and are reputedly restricting supply to companies that don't base themselves in China.
Rare earth supply chain: Industry
In defense apps, dysprosium, neodymium and yttrium are used in equipment made by Boeing, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman and Raytheon. Defense platforms that use rare earths include helicopters (to quiet rotor noise), tanks (for laser gun sights), radar (to image targets more than 22 miles away), missiles (for navigation magnets) and the hybrid electric motors the U.S. Navy is using to cut fuel costs in its advanced destroyers.
Cut China off and the West could not just step back in straight away. We've been out of the game for too many years and have lost much experience in industrial production that would need to be built up again.
The major advantage the US has is cheap energy from the shale gas boom. This will bring more companies back to the US because energy intensive manufacturing is no longer a prohibitive cost. But it will take time before the US economy wouldn't be crippled by a cessation in trading with China (and China wouldn't do well out of that either). Other than Germany the rest of Europe is unlikely to get it together enough to come up with a coherent energy / manufacturing policy.
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I'm sure they've been putting mind altering drugs in their curries, every time I go to the Chinese I have this drunken stupor come over me beforehand.
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I'd say he was just upset at the cost of parking at Crown.
Really?...I guess I haven't been keeping up with current events. 
‘This includes Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, who are the three running dogs of the United States in Asia,’
Obviously not - the Chinese have been arguing at some length with the Vietnamese over the Islands in the SC Sea ('East Sea') to the Vietnamese.
The US wants access to Vietnamese ports (guess where they are..the East Sea) and will step up 'cooperation' to achieve this.
China is quite aware this relationship building is going on.
The US wants access to Vietnamese ports (guess where they are..the East Sea) and will step up 'cooperation' to achieve this.
China is quite aware this relationship building is going on.
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The US wants access to Vietnamese ports (guess where they are..the East Sea) and will step up 'cooperation' to achieve this.