kill a chicken to scare the monkeys
As far as China is concerned, yes of course it does.
The Russians want to use Vietnamese ports too & Vietnamese are very suspicious and deeply distrustful of China's territorial ambitions. China crows on about 'win-win' and cooperation but at the first sign it isn't going to 'win the cooperation' acts like a spoilt belligerent child.
The Russians want to use Vietnamese ports too & Vietnamese are very suspicious and deeply distrustful of China's territorial ambitions. China crows on about 'win-win' and cooperation but at the first sign it isn't going to 'win the cooperation' acts like a spoilt belligerent child.
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What do you think it would do the China if they were to intentionally try and harm the economic relationship with the nation that represents it's second largest trading partner?
Intentionally harming a symbiotic relationship is akin to suicide.
What do you think it would do the China if they were to intentionally try and harm the economic relationship with the nation that represents it's second largest trading partner?
Intentionally harming a symbiotic relationship is akin to suicide.
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China doesn't have anywhere near enough domestic demand for products - if it loses its key customers it will have a lot of unemployed poor people. The CCP is **** scared of unemployed poor people; they know exactly what they are capable of.
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"Surely if China stops bankrolling the USA the USA will be crippled anyway."
Don't forget, all the debt China carries will be worth a lot less
plus as the two posters above me said !
China is already under pressure because of other countries taking
the low cost jobs that they once did. The one thing going for them
is they have the people, infrastructure, material to build the item and most things are close to the ports for export. Not always the case in Pakistan,
India, Africa.
Don't forget, all the debt China carries will be worth a lot less
plus as the two posters above me said !
China is already under pressure because of other countries taking
the low cost jobs that they once did. The one thing going for them
is they have the people, infrastructure, material to build the item and most things are close to the ports for export. Not always the case in Pakistan,
India, Africa.
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View from Taiwan. The China Post: somtimes Wars Break Out by Accident
Russia: is China-Japan War Imminent?
Australia: A Real Risk in South China Sea
Economist: The Drums of War
Russia: is China-Japan War Imminent?
Australia: A Real Risk in South China Sea
Economist: The Drums of War
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Sydney Morning Herald: Shun US 'tiger' and Japanese 'wolf', Chinese colonel warns
BEIJING: A Chinese military officer has raised the spectre of nuclear weapons and warned Australia not to side with the United States and Japan as a territorial dispute in the East China Sea continues to escalate.
Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu, of the National Defence University, blamed America’s ‘‘orchestration’’ and Japan’s ‘‘militarism’’ for rising tensions over disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China. ‘‘America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia’s wolf and both are now madly biting China,’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘Of all the animals, Chinese people hate the wolf the most.’’ China was a peaceful nation but it would fight to the death if seriously attacked, he said.
Both sides and the US have in recent days traded strident warnings over alleged territorial incursions, while holding out hopes of a diplomatic breakthrough. Diplomats privately warn of a growing risk of accident or miscalculation.
Asked about the People’s Liberation Army fighting capability, Colonel Liu referred to the PLA department that houses China’s strategic missile and nuclear arsenal. He raised a hypothetical scenario that he said would justify a nuclear attack, while clarifying that he was not calling upon China to take such measures. ‘‘If this Japanese wolf again attacks America’s Pearl Harbour or Australia’s Darwin, how do you know it wouldn’t receive another nuclear bomb?’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘The world would hail if Japan receives such a blow. I don’t want to mention China here, as it is sensitive,’’ he added.
Colonel Liu is one of a group of outspoken hawkish PLA officers who do not claim to speak on behalf of the leadership but are given licence to speak stridently on some issues at certain times. Foreign diplomats say they can serve to provide unofficial warnings, test foreign reactions and rally nationalistic support for the Communist Party or sections of it. They can also complicate China’s diplomatic objectives and place leaders under pressure to demonstrate their nationalistic credentials.
Colonel Liu directly warned Australia not to follow the US or Japan into any military conflict with China. He said Australia should play the role of a ‘‘kind-hearted lamb’’ and China would discourage it from being led astray. ‘‘Australia should never play the jackal for the tiger or dance with the wolf,’’ he said.
Colonel Liu asked that his message be conveyed directly to the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, as she prepares to deliver a major speech on national security.
Like her predecessors, Ms Gillard has maintained that Australia will not have to choose between its economic and security interests.
‘‘American hegemony is not at its dawn and not at its zenith,’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘It is at its sunset and night is coming.’’.....
BEIJING: A Chinese military officer has raised the spectre of nuclear weapons and warned Australia not to side with the United States and Japan as a territorial dispute in the East China Sea continues to escalate.
Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu, of the National Defence University, blamed America’s ‘‘orchestration’’ and Japan’s ‘‘militarism’’ for rising tensions over disputed islands known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China. ‘‘America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia’s wolf and both are now madly biting China,’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘Of all the animals, Chinese people hate the wolf the most.’’ China was a peaceful nation but it would fight to the death if seriously attacked, he said.
Both sides and the US have in recent days traded strident warnings over alleged territorial incursions, while holding out hopes of a diplomatic breakthrough. Diplomats privately warn of a growing risk of accident or miscalculation.
Asked about the People’s Liberation Army fighting capability, Colonel Liu referred to the PLA department that houses China’s strategic missile and nuclear arsenal. He raised a hypothetical scenario that he said would justify a nuclear attack, while clarifying that he was not calling upon China to take such measures. ‘‘If this Japanese wolf again attacks America’s Pearl Harbour or Australia’s Darwin, how do you know it wouldn’t receive another nuclear bomb?’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘The world would hail if Japan receives such a blow. I don’t want to mention China here, as it is sensitive,’’ he added.
Colonel Liu is one of a group of outspoken hawkish PLA officers who do not claim to speak on behalf of the leadership but are given licence to speak stridently on some issues at certain times. Foreign diplomats say they can serve to provide unofficial warnings, test foreign reactions and rally nationalistic support for the Communist Party or sections of it. They can also complicate China’s diplomatic objectives and place leaders under pressure to demonstrate their nationalistic credentials.
Colonel Liu directly warned Australia not to follow the US or Japan into any military conflict with China. He said Australia should play the role of a ‘‘kind-hearted lamb’’ and China would discourage it from being led astray. ‘‘Australia should never play the jackal for the tiger or dance with the wolf,’’ he said.
Colonel Liu asked that his message be conveyed directly to the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, as she prepares to deliver a major speech on national security.
Like her predecessors, Ms Gillard has maintained that Australia will not have to choose between its economic and security interests.
‘‘American hegemony is not at its dawn and not at its zenith,’’ Colonel Liu said. ‘‘It is at its sunset and night is coming.’’.....
China has a lot of internal 'issues' that are coming to a head. It will need lots of outside 'diversions' to feed the people.
The Army also has a power game going on.
Frankly the CCP can shut it's gob until it has a functioning democracy, rule of law, transparency, human rights etc.
Then it can lecture others,
The Army also has a power game going on.
Frankly the CCP can shut it's gob until it has a functioning democracy, rule of law, transparency, human rights etc.
Then it can lecture others,
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Official: Chinese Frigate Locked Radar on Japanese Navy
TOKYO — A Chinese military frigate has locked its weapon-targeting radar on a Japanese navy vessel on at least one occasion, Japan’s defense minister said Feb. 5, in an apparent upping of the stakes in a bitter territorial row.
“On January 30, something like fire-control radar was directed at a Japan Self-Defense Maritime escort ship in the East China Sea. The defense ministry today confirmed radar for targeting was used,” Itsunori Onodera told reporters in Tokyo. Onodera said a Japanese military helicopter was also locked with a similar radar a few days earlier.
“Directing such radar is very abnormal,” he said. “We recognize it would create a very dangerous situation if a single misstep occurred. We will seek the Chinese side’s self-restraint from taking such dangerous action.”
The move is an apparent ramping up of an already tense situation in the East China Sea, where Asia’s two largest economies are at loggerheads over the sovereignty of an uninhabited island chain. On Feb. 5, Tokyo summoned China’s envoy in protest at the presence a day earlier of Chinese government ships in the waters around the islands.
No mention was made in the earlier announcement of the actions of any Chinese military vessels. It was not believed that the military ships had been in what Japan considers its waters.
“The foreign ministry summoned the Chinese ambassador over ships entering the waters near Senkaku islands,” said an official, referring to a chain claimed as the Diaoyus by Beijing.
TOKYO — A Chinese military frigate has locked its weapon-targeting radar on a Japanese navy vessel on at least one occasion, Japan’s defense minister said Feb. 5, in an apparent upping of the stakes in a bitter territorial row.
“On January 30, something like fire-control radar was directed at a Japan Self-Defense Maritime escort ship in the East China Sea. The defense ministry today confirmed radar for targeting was used,” Itsunori Onodera told reporters in Tokyo. Onodera said a Japanese military helicopter was also locked with a similar radar a few days earlier.
“Directing such radar is very abnormal,” he said. “We recognize it would create a very dangerous situation if a single misstep occurred. We will seek the Chinese side’s self-restraint from taking such dangerous action.”
The move is an apparent ramping up of an already tense situation in the East China Sea, where Asia’s two largest economies are at loggerheads over the sovereignty of an uninhabited island chain. On Feb. 5, Tokyo summoned China’s envoy in protest at the presence a day earlier of Chinese government ships in the waters around the islands.
No mention was made in the earlier announcement of the actions of any Chinese military vessels. It was not believed that the military ships had been in what Japan considers its waters.
“The foreign ministry summoned the Chinese ambassador over ships entering the waters near Senkaku islands,” said an official, referring to a chain claimed as the Diaoyus by Beijing.
it may be a good way for the Chinese to get a picture of what countermeasures are employed by the Japanese vessels/aircraft painted by the radar. When you know what countermeasures are going to be employed the chinese can deploy ECCM etc.
Still, 'tis a risky game they play....
Still, 'tis a risky game they play....
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All I can say is - wow!
Captain Fanell's comments are from minutes 21-32. He states they are stripted comments, as such they have to have been pre-approved, and in view of their nature at the highest level. They are very frank......
Honest Opinions on China
At the USNI/AFCEA West Conference last week there was an excellent panel on the last day that focused on the operational challenges and partnership opportunities that exist with China. It started out as a casual discussion about China, but about 21 minutes into the panel Captain James Fanell, Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence and Information Operations for US Pacific Fleet decided he was going to give his honest opinion.
In China it is illegal to give an honest opinion about China, and there are times I wonder if the same law exists in Washington, DC. Several folks are discussing Captain Fanell's comments, even if he is just a Captain. I leave my thoughts over at the USNI Blog.
Captain Fanell's comments are from minutes 21-32. He states they are stripted comments, as such they have to have been pre-approved, and in view of their nature at the highest level. They are very frank......
Honest Opinions on China
At the USNI/AFCEA West Conference last week there was an excellent panel on the last day that focused on the operational challenges and partnership opportunities that exist with China. It started out as a casual discussion about China, but about 21 minutes into the panel Captain James Fanell, Deputy Chief of Staff for Intelligence and Information Operations for US Pacific Fleet decided he was going to give his honest opinion.
In China it is illegal to give an honest opinion about China, and there are times I wonder if the same law exists in Washington, DC. Several folks are discussing Captain Fanell's comments, even if he is just a Captain. I leave my thoughts over at the USNI Blog.
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Defense News: China Accuses Japan of ‘Smear’ Over Radar Incident
BEIJING — Beijing accused Tokyo on Feb. 7 of mounting a smear campaign after Japan said a Chinese frigate had locked its weapons-targeting radar on a Japanese warship in a “threat of force”.
The world’s second- and third-largest economies are at loggerheads over uninhabited, Japanese-controlled islands in the East China Sea, known as Senkaku in Tokyo and Diaoyu by Beijing, which claims them. The radar incident, which Japan said happened last week, marked the first time the two nations’ navies have locked horns in a dispute that has some commentators warning about a possible armed conflict.
Asked to respond to Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera’s description of the radar targeting as a “threat of force,” Beijing foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said: “Recently Japan has been hyping up crisis and deliberately creating tension to smear China’s image. This move is counter to the improvement of relations,” she told a regular briefing. “The current problem is not China being assertive but about Japanese ships’ and airplanes’ repeated illegal activities in the airspace and waters of the Diaoyu islands, which undermine China’s territorial sovereignty.”
The long-running row over the islands intensified in September, when Tokyo nationalized part of the chain, triggering fury in Beijing and huge anti-Japan demonstrations across China. Beijing has repeatedly sent ships and aircraft near the islands, and both sides have scrambled fighter jets, though there have been no clashes.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Feb. 7 that the “window for dialogue” must remain open but reiterated his rebuke to Beijing over the “extremely regrettable” naval confrontation. “But we will not close the window of dialogue. This is most important,” said Abe. “I would like China to return to a more open attitude towards our strategic partnership.”
Abe on Feb. 6 had described the Chinese action as “dangerous” and ”provocative.” Onodera told parliament on Feb. 7 that the Chinese radar lock amounted to a ”threat of force” but also called for some mechanism to allow defense authorities to communicate with each other. “We think this is a threat of force, as defined in the U.N. Charter. But what is most important is to prevent incidents like this from recurring in the future,” he said. “I also think it is necessary for Japan and China to have a means of consultation on maritime safety issues.”
In Washington, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Feb. 6 urged China to avoid confrontation and seek peaceful dialogue with Japan and other countries over territorial disputes. Asked about the China-Japan tensions, Panetta voiced concern that “it’s the kind of situation where there are territorial claims that could ultimately get out of hand.” He added: “One country or the other could react in a way that could create an even greater crisis.”
The U.S. defense chief said China, the United States and other countries should work together to address “common challenges,” including piracy, natural disasters and territorial disputes.”
It is believed the island chain — which is also claimed by Taiwan — sits atop vast mineral reserves.
BEIJING — Beijing accused Tokyo on Feb. 7 of mounting a smear campaign after Japan said a Chinese frigate had locked its weapons-targeting radar on a Japanese warship in a “threat of force”.
The world’s second- and third-largest economies are at loggerheads over uninhabited, Japanese-controlled islands in the East China Sea, known as Senkaku in Tokyo and Diaoyu by Beijing, which claims them. The radar incident, which Japan said happened last week, marked the first time the two nations’ navies have locked horns in a dispute that has some commentators warning about a possible armed conflict.
Asked to respond to Japanese Defense Minister Itsunori Onodera’s description of the radar targeting as a “threat of force,” Beijing foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said: “Recently Japan has been hyping up crisis and deliberately creating tension to smear China’s image. This move is counter to the improvement of relations,” she told a regular briefing. “The current problem is not China being assertive but about Japanese ships’ and airplanes’ repeated illegal activities in the airspace and waters of the Diaoyu islands, which undermine China’s territorial sovereignty.”
The long-running row over the islands intensified in September, when Tokyo nationalized part of the chain, triggering fury in Beijing and huge anti-Japan demonstrations across China. Beijing has repeatedly sent ships and aircraft near the islands, and both sides have scrambled fighter jets, though there have been no clashes.
Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said Feb. 7 that the “window for dialogue” must remain open but reiterated his rebuke to Beijing over the “extremely regrettable” naval confrontation. “But we will not close the window of dialogue. This is most important,” said Abe. “I would like China to return to a more open attitude towards our strategic partnership.”
Abe on Feb. 6 had described the Chinese action as “dangerous” and ”provocative.” Onodera told parliament on Feb. 7 that the Chinese radar lock amounted to a ”threat of force” but also called for some mechanism to allow defense authorities to communicate with each other. “We think this is a threat of force, as defined in the U.N. Charter. But what is most important is to prevent incidents like this from recurring in the future,” he said. “I also think it is necessary for Japan and China to have a means of consultation on maritime safety issues.”
In Washington, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Feb. 6 urged China to avoid confrontation and seek peaceful dialogue with Japan and other countries over territorial disputes. Asked about the China-Japan tensions, Panetta voiced concern that “it’s the kind of situation where there are territorial claims that could ultimately get out of hand.” He added: “One country or the other could react in a way that could create an even greater crisis.”
The U.S. defense chief said China, the United States and other countries should work together to address “common challenges,” including piracy, natural disasters and territorial disputes.”
It is believed the island chain — which is also claimed by Taiwan — sits atop vast mineral reserves.
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Defense News: Chinese Troops 20 Kilometers Across Disputed Border: India
NEW DELHI — New Delhi on Friday said Chinese soldiers have advanced nearly 12 miles (20 kilometers) into Indian-claimed territory after intruding across the disputed border earlier this month, a report said.
Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and other military officials presented a report on the incursion to a parliamentary watchdog, the Press Trust of India reported, marking a renewal of tensions between the Asian neighbours. Sharma also told MPs attending the meeting that India has deployed troops in the contested region to "keep a close watch on the border,” it quoted unnamed sources as saying.
India and China have an unresolved boundary dispute, and relations are often prickly and marked by mutual suspicion — a legacy of a brief border war in 1962.
A senior defence ministry official confirmed the meeting took place and that Sharma briefed MPs on the alleged Chinese advance but he did not elaborate..........
According to officials in New Delhi, a platoon of Chinese troops set up a camp inside Indian territory on April 15. India has since called on the Chinese soldiers to withdraw, but several meetings between local army commanders and diplomats from both sides have failed to resolve the stand-off.
China has denied any wrongdoing..........
NEW DELHI — New Delhi on Friday said Chinese soldiers have advanced nearly 12 miles (20 kilometers) into Indian-claimed territory after intruding across the disputed border earlier this month, a report said.
Defence Secretary Shashi Kant Sharma and other military officials presented a report on the incursion to a parliamentary watchdog, the Press Trust of India reported, marking a renewal of tensions between the Asian neighbours. Sharma also told MPs attending the meeting that India has deployed troops in the contested region to "keep a close watch on the border,” it quoted unnamed sources as saying.
India and China have an unresolved boundary dispute, and relations are often prickly and marked by mutual suspicion — a legacy of a brief border war in 1962.
A senior defence ministry official confirmed the meeting took place and that Sharma briefed MPs on the alleged Chinese advance but he did not elaborate..........
According to officials in New Delhi, a platoon of Chinese troops set up a camp inside Indian territory on April 15. India has since called on the Chinese soldiers to withdraw, but several meetings between local army commanders and diplomats from both sides have failed to resolve the stand-off.
China has denied any wrongdoing..........
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ORAC - the Chinese-Indian border dispute could have been solved at any time in the last 60 years if the Indians were willing to sit down and discuss matters with the Chinese.
The whole dispute is a classic, much studied in Political Science Depts at universities etc. The Indians refuse to give up an inch of territory - some of which no Indian has ever been to. The Chinese will negotiate but only if it's a clean sheet - for years they have made it pretty clear that they will give up claims in the Eastern Sector if the Indians give up their claims in the Western Sector
The whole dispute is a classic, much studied in Political Science Depts at universities etc. The Indians refuse to give up an inch of territory - some of which no Indian has ever been to. The Chinese will negotiate but only if it's a clean sheet - for years they have made it pretty clear that they will give up claims in the Eastern Sector if the Indians give up their claims in the Western Sector
