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GeeRam there are changes going through at the moment that may allow Permit aircraft to be used commercially.. So fingers crossed it gets allowed.
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Am surprised the new Dambusters movie wasn't approached with a view to using Just Jane. They get a genuine Lanc (especially handy for close up's)and they get the funds to make her airworthy. Win -win
Altho obviously she would need adapted for the bouncing bombs.And maybe they didn't want to do this.
Altho obviously she would need adapted for the bouncing bombs.And maybe they didn't want to do this.
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Whilst not wishing to douse peoples comendable optimsm and keenness to get her into the air, please consider this: when Charles Church bought the Strathellan Lanc in 1987, the CAA required him to have it rebuilt by the original constructors (i.e.Avro/ BAe at Woodford). I saw it often there in the hangar and was able to inspect it minutely after it had been disassembled. It was in fantastic condition with virtually no corrosion on any important piece of the structure. It was a pity the hangar roof fell on it and destroyed it before it could be rebuilt. Also, in 1986, Woodford phoned the BBMF to tell them that they had found a couple of pieces of steel when clearing out an old shed which they had identified as castings for lanc mainspars prior to milling. They were quickly nabbed and stored in the BBMF store hangar at Woodhall Spar. Without those two bits of meatal the BBMF machine would no longer be flying as they were used when notional fatigue life expired. What chance do the Pantons have to repeat that sort of luck or to overcome CAA caution? I hope they can, but I doubt it.
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That is correct, Nutloose. Their brother was shot down and killed on the Nuremburg raid March 30-31 1944.
I would definitely like to visit that aerodrome, having heard nothing but good things about it.
I would definitely like to visit that aerodrome, having heard nothing but good things about it.
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BAe have looked at the spars apparently and gave them the ok.
As for close ups for the new Dambusters movie, these are one of the 10 new replicas being built
Bigger version
http://dambusters.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/005.jpg
The other one on the right we think is a scale? Wellington Bomber for the movie..
From
Peter Jackson | Dambusters Weblog
As for close ups for the new Dambusters movie, these are one of the 10 new replicas being built
Bigger version
http://dambusters.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/005.jpg
The other one on the right we think is a scale? Wellington Bomber for the movie..
From
Peter Jackson | Dambusters Weblog
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That certainly does look like a Wellington on the right hand side of the picture, looking at the wingtip and the undercarriage visible. Looking at what is visible of the engine cowling, it almost looks like a Wellington II. (Or could that be old age creeping up on me?)
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Sloppy details are here, it's under consultation at the moment and I believe the HAA and CAA are holding a seminar in Feb to discuss it
Though I cannot find the commercial use mentioned under the current version
Proposed Amendment to BCAR A, CAP 553 and BCAR B, CAP 554 | Consultations and Responses | About the CAA
54phan, it's also got the trademark aerial on the roof.
More details on the progress
Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre
Though I cannot find the commercial use mentioned under the current version
Proposed Amendment to BCAR A, CAP 553 and BCAR B, CAP 554 | Consultations and Responses | About the CAA
54phan, it's also got the trademark aerial on the roof.
More details on the progress
Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre
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and it provides a framework that could be used to support limited commercial operation of ex-military aircraft in the future.
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2537/Annex...%20Comment.pdf
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Ah, I see that as well, Nutloose. It looks elongated, but is definitely "Wimpyesque" kit. (Not to mention many other aircraft of the period.) Still looks like a Merlin nacelle to me.
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I attended a talk many years ago by Brian Goulding, I recall him saying that the PA474 was using modified Shackleton spars. The BBMF had secured sufficent of them and other spares to keep the aircraft airworthy virtually indefinitely. (Assuming no mishaps of course)
I would be happy to be corrected if that is not the case.
Phil
I would be happy to be corrected if that is not the case.
Phil
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Don't lose sight of the reason for the restoration. It is as a memorial to their brother as much as anything else. The last thing they would intend is to get it ready to replace the BBMF Lanc sometime in the future.
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One of the guys I work with was involved with the respar of the Lanc, done at St Athan by teams from Abingdon. He says that the spars were modified Shack items. he also said that the origonally the skins were attached to the spars with PK screws, presumably a quick and easy fit with no expectation to be flying more than a few hundred hours let alone some 70 years later.
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Apparently, civilian taxi rides in Just Jane will be able to continue to run should Just Jane ever get her permit to fly, and will continue to be a revenue stream to help with her upkeep.
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Herkman, she is on the civil register as G-ASXX
G-INFO gives the status as "Registered" and also there is an entry, presume for engine runs etc?
Application Type Received Date Expected Date of Processing
CAA PERMIT ISSUE 05/01/2011 03/07/2013
G-INFO gives the status as "Registered" and also there is an entry, presume for engine runs etc?
Application Type Received Date Expected Date of Processing
CAA PERMIT ISSUE 05/01/2011 03/07/2013
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GeeRam there are changes going through at the moment that may allow Permit aircraft to be used commercially.. So fingers crossed it gets allowed.
I believe the inability to earn from PAX rides was one of the prime reasons why the CWH didn't bring their Lanc over to the UK for a tour some years back, which had been a very real possibility.
Maybe, if things change then, and it can happen, and JJ becomes airworthy, CWH, might be yet be tempted to bring there's over for the chance of a formation of all 3 airworthy Lancs ............ now that would be a sight
The rule change if it happens could also be a potential fund generator and savior for B-17 Sally B as well.
