Mil Aircrew - can it go lower in 2013?
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Mil Aircrew - can it go lower in 2013?
A quick look through the threads on the front page of Mil Aircrew shows that around 8 out of 27 are what could be regarded as relevant to today's military aviation. Less than one third! Even the threads that are relevant are riddled with daft, uninformed comment from spotters, wannabees and so many who had their days in the fifties and sixties. Please note, much of that is not rumour, as per the site name, but just drivel.
How many times recently have we seen people asking for info on various current situations only to to be told what it was like in the RAF of the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc? I'll answer my own question, it's almost every time, and always by the same people. Look at the people who monopolise threads now with some of their tedious reminiscences.
I can understand a few nostalgia and history threads, many of them are of real interest and real benefit to all of us today, but not 70% of the top threads.
For info. I myself did over 20 years in the RAF and am still involved in several military aviation projects, including significant procurements. Hopefully that qualifies me as one of the "the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground"
I wonder how many who post on here now are currently involved in current military aviation? I'm not saying that others should not give us the benefit of their vast experiences, where would we be without being able to learn from the experience of people like Beagle, Courtney, Tuc, herkman etc?
I don't suppose this thread will last long.
Happy New Year
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How many times recently have we seen people asking for info on various current situations only to to be told what it was like in the RAF of the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc? I'll answer my own question, it's almost every time, and always by the same people. Look at the people who monopolise threads now with some of their tedious reminiscences.
I can understand a few nostalgia and history threads, many of them are of real interest and real benefit to all of us today, but not 70% of the top threads.
For info. I myself did over 20 years in the RAF and am still involved in several military aviation projects, including significant procurements. Hopefully that qualifies me as one of the "the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground"
I wonder how many who post on here now are currently involved in current military aviation? I'm not saying that others should not give us the benefit of their vast experiences, where would we be without being able to learn from the experience of people like Beagle, Courtney, Tuc, herkman etc?
I don't suppose this thread will last long.
Happy New Year
S-D
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Courtney's posts are always very informative and I like his webpage! Apologies if i've missed those with a little more 'seniority'
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A quick look through the threads on the front page of Mil Aircrew shows that around 8 out of 27 are what could be regarded as relevant to today's military aviation. Less than one third! Even the threads that are relevant are riddled with daft, uninformed comment from spotters, wannabees and so many who had their days in the fifties and sixties. Please note, much of that is not rumour, as per the site name, but just drivel.
How many times recently have we seen people asking for info on various current situations only to to be told what it was like in the RAF of the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc? I'll answer my own question, it's almost every time, and always by the same people. Look at the people who monopolise threads now with some of their tedious reminiscences.
I can understand a few nostalgia and history threads, many of them are of real interest and real benefit to all of us today, but not 70% of the top threads.
For info. I myself did over 20 years in the RAF and am still involved in several military aviation projects, including significant procurements. Hopefully that qualifies me as one of the "the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground"
I wonder how many who post on here now are currently involved in current military aviation? I'm not saying that others should not give us the benefit of their vast experiences, where would we be without being able to learn from the experience of people like Beagle, Courtney, Tuc, herkman etc?
I don't suppose this thread will last long.
Happy New Year
S-D
How many times recently have we seen people asking for info on various current situations only to to be told what it was like in the RAF of the 50s/60s/70s/80s etc? I'll answer my own question, it's almost every time, and always by the same people. Look at the people who monopolise threads now with some of their tedious reminiscences.
I can understand a few nostalgia and history threads, many of them are of real interest and real benefit to all of us today, but not 70% of the top threads.
For info. I myself did over 20 years in the RAF and am still involved in several military aviation projects, including significant procurements. Hopefully that qualifies me as one of the "the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground"
I wonder how many who post on here now are currently involved in current military aviation? I'm not saying that others should not give us the benefit of their vast experiences, where would we be without being able to learn from the experience of people like Beagle, Courtney, Tuc, herkman etc?
I don't suppose this thread will last long.
Happy New Year
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I'm confused. Are we supposed to trumpet our experience? Somehow prove our currency? Claim our right to post? Or just out ourselves as walts?
For the record, I am not only an expert at pretty much everything, but I'm still currently flying warplanes. I possess a dizzying intellect and a smile that will swing a debrief at thirty paces.
I look forward to gracing those threads I consider worthy in 2013. Does that help at all?
For the record, I am not only an expert at pretty much everything, but I'm still currently flying warplanes. I possess a dizzying intellect and a smile that will swing a debrief at thirty paces.
I look forward to gracing those threads I consider worthy in 2013. Does that help at all?
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Funny how we all know how the red button on the TV remote directly controls the intellectual content of our viewing, but we all seemed determined to read every single word of the interwebs as if it was Moses himself coming down from the mountain!
With the exception of the Mods, who invest time in ensuring the content remains within the stated guidelines, all of us are guests here and thankfully there is an elegantly simple method of establishing "relevance". If people read and enjoy what you write, it is probably relevant - if you become a serial thread killer with your myopic dross, then hopefully your day job is fulfilling enough to get you through life without the adoration from others.
This thread itself keeps reappearing a bit like publishing the perils of not saluting, loss of ID cards and long hair on Routine Orders - making it a prevalent offence doesn't stop it, it just demonstrates you have no real control over those things. The answer, by the way, remains the same. If you have a whizz bang idea about reaching like minded individuals with your views on current operational topics then start a web-site; any 12-year old can do it in about 10 minutes these days.
The other approach of course is to become a Mod so you can nip this "irrelevance" in the bud before it takes on a life of its own. Read anything by Alexander Solzhenitsyn if you want to get a feel for how to handle those who won't toe the line.
With the exception of the Mods, who invest time in ensuring the content remains within the stated guidelines, all of us are guests here and thankfully there is an elegantly simple method of establishing "relevance". If people read and enjoy what you write, it is probably relevant - if you become a serial thread killer with your myopic dross, then hopefully your day job is fulfilling enough to get you through life without the adoration from others.
This thread itself keeps reappearing a bit like publishing the perils of not saluting, loss of ID cards and long hair on Routine Orders - making it a prevalent offence doesn't stop it, it just demonstrates you have no real control over those things. The answer, by the way, remains the same. If you have a whizz bang idea about reaching like minded individuals with your views on current operational topics then start a web-site; any 12-year old can do it in about 10 minutes these days.
The other approach of course is to become a Mod so you can nip this "irrelevance" in the bud before it takes on a life of its own. Read anything by Alexander Solzhenitsyn if you want to get a feel for how to handle those who won't toe the line.
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If we learned more from history then some of the disasters such as Afghanistan and Iraq might have been avoided or at least better handled. Some of the history on PPRUNE and inputs from the past are well worth reading.
Had a bad time at the New Years Party then SD?
This is Pprune! Its a rumour network and not Flight Magazine or Aviation Space Leak!
The serious topics you're looking for are mostly classified and should not be discussed on a forum like this.
Best you have a nice glass of something and sit back and relax. My guess is that Pprune is not going to change in 2013 and why should it?
This is Pprune! Its a rumour network and not Flight Magazine or Aviation Space Leak!
The serious topics you're looking for are mostly classified and should not be discussed on a forum like this.
Best you have a nice glass of something and sit back and relax. My guess is that Pprune is not going to change in 2013 and why should it?
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S-D,
A certain individual at the beginning of the last century had ideals about only certain 'types' being acceptable to him; he ended up ruining most of Europe
In all seriousness though, I struggle to find a valid point in what you posted. As many have said, your issue seems to be with the content and free speech of a public forum on Mil Avn whose content is moderated by its owners. In which case your grief is with the Mods and I suggest you step down off the soap box and PM them about it.
Not sure what YOUR credentials are but what you write matters. If its valid it will stand on its own, whether you've 3000 hrs or 3!
Whatever the case, spare us the disgusting elitism.
A certain individual at the beginning of the last century had ideals about only certain 'types' being acceptable to him; he ended up ruining most of Europe
In all seriousness though, I struggle to find a valid point in what you posted. As many have said, your issue seems to be with the content and free speech of a public forum on Mil Avn whose content is moderated by its owners. In which case your grief is with the Mods and I suggest you step down off the soap box and PM them about it.
Not sure what YOUR credentials are but what you write matters. If its valid it will stand on its own, whether you've 3000 hrs or 3!
Whatever the case, spare us the disgusting elitism.
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PPRuNe is generally a Broad and Tolerant Church and long may that continue ... personally I'm more than happy to be WIWOL'd to death (also add WIWOP, WIWOH, WIWOB, WIWOJ etc.) ... whilst engaging in some gentle leg-pulling and general banter along the way. Some of us didn't get as far as we would have liked but still enjoy the Military Aviation Esprit de corps 
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This sort of post comes u fairly frequently. Typically it's from some cocky young flying officer who has just reached a squadron, decided that he is what the whole air force is all about, and that only current people should be allowed to post and then only about the current stuff that he is involved in. To write off the experience of those who have gone before is a very ignorant practice.
My military flying career my never have been particularly illustrious but I did fly on ops in not too distant history and from time to time do have a valid opinion or nugget of information. I have biscuits in the bottom of my nav bag with more flying hours than some of the people who insist only they should be allowed to post here.
Also, where would all the valuable mil to civvy crossover career and licensing advice go if ex-RAF were not welcome here? The simplest thing if you don't approve of a thread is not to read it and not to post on it: allow it to fall off the page and die. Natural selection if you like, not rocket science.
My military flying career my never have been particularly illustrious but I did fly on ops in not too distant history and from time to time do have a valid opinion or nugget of information. I have biscuits in the bottom of my nav bag with more flying hours than some of the people who insist only they should be allowed to post here.
Also, where would all the valuable mil to civvy crossover career and licensing advice go if ex-RAF were not welcome here? The simplest thing if you don't approve of a thread is not to read it and not to post on it: allow it to fall off the page and die. Natural selection if you like, not rocket science.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
TT, probably right. As a brand new and keen fg off I paid little attention to the BOFs in the crew room, many of whom were very senior fg offs or equally aged flt lt. I kept in mind one caution which was not to be rude to very senior flt lts, ie those in their late 20s 
I much regret never drawing as much from these BOF as I should and have had to content myself with reading their obits.
I still recall one lesson from a very crusty and pedantic sqn ldr of some 20years seniority. "Don't believe everything you read in the Flying Order Book. Check the sqn copy against the station master copy and if in doubt check again."
That advice explained both his seniority and pedantry.
I much regret never drawing as much from these BOF as I should and have had to content myself with reading their obits.
I still recall one lesson from a very crusty and pedantic sqn ldr of some 20years seniority. "Don't believe everything you read in the Flying Order Book. Check the sqn copy against the station master copy and if in doubt check again."
That advice explained both his seniority and pedantry.
Just the sort of unimaginative, blinkered line-toeing I was glad to leave behind.
I see where you're coming from Salad Dodger, but this forum will never change. I assume you are currently serving military aircrew - do you really think a closed forum where we have to login with our service numbers (or other credentials) would really work? There is something on the DLP that was started along those lines, and I think both of the members of that forum have a great time talking to each other.
I think we just have to accept mil aircrew for what it is:
Old gits who hang around talking about the good old days, and how glad they are they left when they did. (75%)
Spotters and wannabes posting photos or asking for advice. (10%)
Current mil aircrew (and backroom boys/girls) who rarely post because they actually have crewrooms to banter in. (10%)
People who post links to military stories they've found on the internet whilst sitting in their pi$$-soaked chairs. (5%)
WEBF. (100% fantasy)
(Apologies for those I have missed!)
Maybe the forum name needs to change?
Military Aircrew: A forum for the ex-professionals who may at one time have been near the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom they'd have nobody to banter. Perverts of the World, all equally welcome here.