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Old 27th Aug 2012, 17:13
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Helicopter downed over Damascus

A couple of videos showing a Mil 4(edited) getting shot down over the once Christian city of Damascus.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ad_1346051433

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Unless I am mistaken that is a Mil 4 Helicopter. They go back to the early fifties. Lots of Avgas to catch fire.
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Well it's not exactly HDTV, but the cabin looks quite long, so I would have thought a Hip. Correct me if I'm wrong, Tonker, wasn't the old Mil 4 more like a Wessex? Shorter cab? Does Syria (or anyone) still fly them?

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A Mil4 is more akin to a Whirlwind. It certainly looks like an Mi4 on some footage I have seen and white in colour which is hardly military spec. The cab will be no loss, the crew however......

Notwithstanding whose side they were on, the loss of aviators is never pretty.
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More likely to be a Mil 2 Hoplite.

Mil4 really too old.


Update - some still photos elsewhere show five-blade so can't be Mil 2 or Mil 4 - must be an 8 or 17.

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My comment is based on the fact that I have seen both types in the air and it looks a lot more like a 4 than an 8. I agree with Trimstab that it could be a 2.
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On the Daily Fail's website they have a half decent image. Looks like a Mil 14.
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And I reckon with a 5 blade rotor it is a Mil Mi 8/17 Hip.
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I have found something on Sky News here:Syria Army Helicopter 'Shot Down' In Damascus

Stopping it 0.08 secs just before impact shows that what appears to be two three bladed rotors at the point of overlapping which would make it a Karmov.
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For murdering their own citizens, the crew deserved everything they got.
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An Mi14.

Seriously?!

Not, perhaps, the most conventional helicopter for the role, but hey...

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Orbat - probably an Mi-2, the others being transports.
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A Mi8/17 is just as likely to carry weapons as a Mi2 Hoplite.

The "kamov" effect is just a video camera artefact.

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Definitely a Mil 8/17 Hip. 5 blades.

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Tourist,

A Mil 8. I'll get me coat!
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Report here of a Mil24
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Cabin well alight after departing controlled flight, not a nice way to go, hope they deserved it

Oh, cert Mil 17, remedial recce for everyone
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Looked very much like a 17 to me but I'm no steely eyed killer.
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One picture I saw yesterday just after being hit showed it alight at the base, rear of cabin by the fillet that leads up to the tail boom, quite a prenounced nose and at least a five bladed rotor.
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The fire appears to start on the starboard weapons pylon which with external fuel tanks adjacent to it is quite a recipe. The Mi17 only stores fuel internally when equipped with ferry tanks. This could have its origins in a malfunction rather then a shoot down but the spin and hype is inevitable.
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