VC10 to retire on 28th August????
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Given some of the other stuff at Cosford (eg Victor) that I understood had landed there, how short is "too short" for a VC-10 (that was after all designed for the shorter runways of the Empire Routes)? No idea about MOS for a VC-10, genuinely interested.
And failing that, could BEagle get one in there?
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And failing that, could BEagle get one in there?
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I'm sure he could. BEagle and I landed one at St Athan once, stopping it before the intersection - which is about 3500'. But this would be gross performance with no factors. Like the Nimrod, it would depend on the authorisors as to whether it would be allowed.
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Ah yes, I remember that one, Dan! It was when we took '144 to be turned into saucepans on 31 Aug 2000.
It wasn't even planned to stop before the intersection, neither was max braking used - but it was easy to do so. The only issue was gallons of rusty water which had somehow collected in the roof pouring out all over me.
Runway length at St. Athan from the threshold of RW26 to the intersection is about 500' less than the total length of RW06/24 at Cosford.
Clearance over the choo-choo track at Cosford might be an issue if landing on RW24, but a max performance landing on RW06 should be possible under the right conditions?
When I was first at Brize and dinosaurs still roamed the trucky world, it was entirely normal for a 'route inbound' to exit at the RW26 intersection - which is only about 4400' from the threshold. The Shineys were very proud of passenger comfort, so these weren't max effort landings, just well-controlled braking.
The habit of turning off at the intersection dropped out of favour after Kelvin Rucksack banned full reverse landings (under normal conditions) to placate a few local noise-whingers....
It wasn't even planned to stop before the intersection, neither was max braking used - but it was easy to do so. The only issue was gallons of rusty water which had somehow collected in the roof pouring out all over me.
Runway length at St. Athan from the threshold of RW26 to the intersection is about 500' less than the total length of RW06/24 at Cosford.
Clearance over the choo-choo track at Cosford might be an issue if landing on RW24, but a max performance landing on RW06 should be possible under the right conditions?
When I was first at Brize and dinosaurs still roamed the trucky world, it was entirely normal for a 'route inbound' to exit at the RW26 intersection - which is only about 4400' from the threshold. The Shineys were very proud of passenger comfort, so these weren't max effort landings, just well-controlled braking.
The habit of turning off at the intersection dropped out of favour after Kelvin Rucksack banned full reverse landings (under normal conditions) to placate a few local noise-whingers....
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I'd also argue that using 3900' of a 10000' runway is not quite the same as landing on a 3900' runway! Regardless of the railway line (trains every 15 mins) at one end and the ravine at the other.
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Yeah, but a Jag is a lot slower than a Ten 
and as a lot of the wings are now flying in Oman, the ones there will probably never fly again.
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and as a lot of the wings are now flying in Oman, the ones there will probably never fly again.
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Dan W - I don't ever recall a Victor brake chute not deploying [when selected] - also the airbrakes were fairly substantial
It had no spoilers, a brake chute you couldn't always rely on
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Nut Loose,
You know, I don't think it's mandatory that you comment on every single thread.
Perhaps you could save up some of those 'witty comments' and bunch them together on a topic where you've actually got something relevant to add...
Just a thought....
You know, I don't think it's mandatory that you comment on every single thread.
Perhaps you could save up some of those 'witty comments' and bunch them together on a topic where you've actually got something relevant to add...
Just a thought....
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Well as I used to be on Tens and for my sins Jags and it has already been established that the BA one already flew in to Cosford on page one of this thread, but as it is still been debated if a Ten can actually land at Cosford, the rest all seems superfluous.
I was making a valid point to his post that although they landed, they didn't have to fly the Jags out, by stating the fact that a lot of the Jags are now Sporting FI expired Omani wings, they wouldn't be flying anywhere, something he may be unaware off... If you do not like how I put that over then just a thought....... tough.
I was making a valid point to his post that although they landed, they didn't have to fly the Jags out, by stating the fact that a lot of the Jags are now Sporting FI expired Omani wings, they wouldn't be flying anywhere, something he may be unaware off... If you do not like how I put that over then just a thought....... tough.
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And did they fly the VC10 out?
Are there any plans, or have there been any plans to fly any of the Jags out?
As for your valid point, if you worked both the Jag and the VC10, you'll be fully aware of how much faster the mighty Shaguar is, not that it's relevant in any way to either aircraft's landing speed or braking distance. You're probably aware too, given that you worked Jags, that the 'few' airframes that BAES have recently swapped wings with the Omanis have far lower FI than the GR3's at Cosford, and the studies involved with giving those jets the Jag 96 upgrade, but the prohibitive cost to bring them up to mod standard.
Far from not liking how you've tried to put your points across, I was rather more hoping not to read yet another cringeworthy attempt at humour on every single thread on PPRuNe followed by a smiley.
Are there any plans, or have there been any plans to fly any of the Jags out?
As for your valid point, if you worked both the Jag and the VC10, you'll be fully aware of how much faster the mighty Shaguar is, not that it's relevant in any way to either aircraft's landing speed or braking distance. You're probably aware too, given that you worked Jags, that the 'few' airframes that BAES have recently swapped wings with the Omanis have far lower FI than the GR3's at Cosford, and the studies involved with giving those jets the Jag 96 upgrade, but the prohibitive cost to bring them up to mod standard.
Far from not liking how you've tried to put your points across, I was rather more hoping not to read yet another cringeworthy attempt at humour on every single thread on PPRuNe followed by a
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The Ten flew out on the back of a Scrappies truck. A truly sad day and indicative of the Uk Companies and their view of their History... You have the likes of Lufthansa operating a Ju 52..ME 108 and soon a Constellation to show off their history, and BA decide they can no longer support sending engineers to do an annual spruce up on their none airworthy collection, eventually allowing them to get to the stage of scrapping them.. One being the Worlds last Conway 707, an aircraft whose early life was tied up to the VC 10 development.
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''Dan W - I don't ever recall a Victor brake chute not deploying [when selected] - also the airbrakes were fairly substantial''.
I know of several - one resulting in a Victor going 'bondu bashing' in Akro. I had one myself - on a wet runway which concentrated my thoughts when the brakes faded.
The Victor's airbrakes were substantial, but they were at the back of the aircraft and not on the wings. Dumping lift on touchdown improves the wheel braking performance. All spoilers inop on my current aircraft has landing distance factors of 1.5 on dry and 1.8 on wet runways.
I know of several - one resulting in a Victor going 'bondu bashing' in Akro. I had one myself - on a wet runway which concentrated my thoughts when the brakes faded.
The Victor's airbrakes were substantial, but they were at the back of the aircraft and not on the wings. Dumping lift on touchdown improves the wheel braking performance. All spoilers inop on my current aircraft has landing distance factors of 1.5 on dry and 1.8 on wet runways.
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Do we have any idea of the routing on the 28th, even if the old girl passes over high and weather permitting, it would be nice to see them one last time in the sky...
That's the Wessex HC2, Jaguar GR1 and the VC10 Cmk1 from my Career soon to be gone, thank God the Puma and Chinook from my time are still in service.
That's the Wessex HC2, Jaguar GR1 and the VC10 Cmk1 from my Career soon to be gone, thank God the Puma and Chinook from my time are still in service.
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I don't ever recall a Victor brake chute not deploying [when selected]
