Noise compaints -Hercules.
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I wonder if the Horsey bint who phoned up Lynham and told them to stop flying over her house as she had an estate agents Viewing has moved to Brize?
Apparently when told of this Staish arranged a pallet drop exercise on the day, guess who's house was under the approach!
I miss the Alberts over my house, they were soothing, unlike the Corsa brigade on Cirencester way.
Apparently when told of this Staish arranged a pallet drop exercise on the day, guess who's house was under the approach!
I miss the Alberts over my house, they were soothing, unlike the Corsa brigade on Cirencester way.
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I remember one of those NIMBY types when I was a lad doing glider flying out of South Cerney with the ATC
Turned out some local politician who was also an Ex Major complained about the noise.
He phoned us up and was mid rant when the CFI pointed out in the most polite of sarcastic terms that in the not too distant past,whilst his lot were on the beaches up to their waist in water, people learning to fly, out of local airfields, presumably annoying the locals, were preparing to save the country from Hitlers Luftwaffe
..His parting line of "and how much bloody noise does a glider make anyway" had us in stitches
Turned out some local politician who was also an Ex Major complained about the noise.
He phoned us up and was mid rant when the CFI pointed out in the most polite of sarcastic terms that in the not too distant past,whilst his lot were on the beaches up to their waist in water, people learning to fly, out of local airfields, presumably annoying the locals, were preparing to save the country from Hitlers Luftwaffe
..His parting line of "and how much bloody noise does a glider make anyway" had us in stitches
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I can sympathise with poor Rebecca, nearby resident of 14 years. I've lived in the Royal Air Force for 22 years and have never heard noise quite like the constant whining of the Oxfordshire nimbys. You live near an airfield love; an airfield that is involved in operations that you'll thankfully never know about or likely appreciate. They're noisy locations - you might just have to deal with it.
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Heathrow Harry
"Back in the 70s one of Lyneham's roles was JATFOR - the Joint Airborne Task Force - in which a the complete force was dropped in a single pass of (IIRC) 17 paratroop ac followed by 18 dropping stores and vehicles in a 3000 yard stream. "
ye Gods - were they planning to do another Arnhem??????
Heathrow Harry
"Back in the 70s one of Lyneham's roles was JATFOR - the Joint Airborne Task Force - in which a the complete force was dropped in a single pass of (IIRC) 17 paratroop ac followed by 18 dropping stores and vehicles in a 3000 yard stream. "
ye Gods - were they planning to do another Arnhem??????
These days they could probably drop the lot out of three.
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What's the difference between a Herc and a NIMBY?
A Herc stops whining when you shut the engines down..............................
OK coat - hat I know the drill!
A Herc stops whining when you shut the engines down..............................
OK coat - hat I know the drill!
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Would seem that the locals might have something to moan about after all...
RAF Brize Norton Hercules noise 'exceeds MoD guidelines'
RAF Brize Norton Hercules noise 'exceeds MoD guidelines'
The Hercules aircraft fleet at RAF Brize Norton has broken official Ministry of Defence guidelines on noise, according to a report.
The number of complaints about the Oxfordshire base increased from 23 to 958 after the fleet moved there last year.
The MoD said it was actively working to reduce the effects of noise.
Thirty three Hercules have been based at Brize Norton since 6 July 2011 after RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire closed.
Air Commodore Jon Ager said: "The results show that, prior to any mitigation, the measured noise in some local villages exceeds the MoD guideline levels."
He said the MoD had apologised to residents and was working with them to improve the situation.
'Almost a roar'
Engine ground runs will now only be conducted when "deemed to be essential to current military operations" and, when possible, aircraft would be towed to areas from where noise had "less of an impact".
Permanent noise monitoring stations are being installed and the MoD is investigating the possibility of building indoor testing facilities to enclose the noise.
West Oxfordshire District councillor Mark Booty said: "I think it was a mistake by the RAF when they first did their planning in that they didn't actually plan for ground running noise.
"They did take off and landing noise, but not ground running.
"It's really irritating. Where I am [3.5 miles away] it's a hum and when you get into Black Bourton it's almost a roar.
"But to be honest, since the report was commissioned they are taking steps.
"They've started towing these aircraft around the base and facing them in different directions.
"We recognise the importance of all the good work they are doing in relation to transport to Afghanistan.
"We absolutely welcome the report, but I don't think there is this magic bullet."
The number of complaints about the Oxfordshire base increased from 23 to 958 after the fleet moved there last year.
The MoD said it was actively working to reduce the effects of noise.
Thirty three Hercules have been based at Brize Norton since 6 July 2011 after RAF Lyneham in Wiltshire closed.
Air Commodore Jon Ager said: "The results show that, prior to any mitigation, the measured noise in some local villages exceeds the MoD guideline levels."
He said the MoD had apologised to residents and was working with them to improve the situation.
'Almost a roar'
Engine ground runs will now only be conducted when "deemed to be essential to current military operations" and, when possible, aircraft would be towed to areas from where noise had "less of an impact".
Permanent noise monitoring stations are being installed and the MoD is investigating the possibility of building indoor testing facilities to enclose the noise.
West Oxfordshire District councillor Mark Booty said: "I think it was a mistake by the RAF when they first did their planning in that they didn't actually plan for ground running noise.
"They did take off and landing noise, but not ground running.
"It's really irritating. Where I am [3.5 miles away] it's a hum and when you get into Black Bourton it's almost a roar.
"But to be honest, since the report was commissioned they are taking steps.
"They've started towing these aircraft around the base and facing them in different directions.
"We recognise the importance of all the good work they are doing in relation to transport to Afghanistan.
"We absolutely welcome the report, but I don't think there is this magic bullet."
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To be fair to the c*nts, a ground running Herc does make a rather odd noise, when combined with wind direction and strength variation. I used to work on the buggers and would regularly curse the sumpies for running at night, when I was trying to sleep off the obligatory split shift urine-up down the Bowl and Mallard and DiDas'!
The Hercules aircraft fleet at RAF Brize Norton has broken official Ministry of Defence guidelines on noise, according to a report.
Hmmm. Apologies anyone, nah, didn't think so.
Living near an airfield does not mean that residents should have to put up with anything. The attitude of - well we were here first - will do nothing other than erode the good will which the military is going to need in the difficult few years ahead. There is a certain arrogance from some people that does the services no credit. Yes, operations involve a certain amount of noise but a manageable solution has to be found. The problem has got better since aircraft are being moved to different locations for ground runs. Was this not thought of before or was there an attitude of, well, towing will take 10 minutes so bugger them, let's do it here and it says low to medium power but bugger them let's do it at full power.
There have been examples here where stupid nimbys have made ridiculous complaints. That is rather different from previously good neighbours making legitimate complaints as a result of poorly thought out operational practices.
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Flap, calm down a little and think. The remarks are not being made to the complainants faces. They are simply feelings about a situation being aired in a place where it is safe to do so, such things are allowed and where the vast majority of posters are from the Military. By no means are all the posts of a derogatory nature, there are several which aren't. If anyone else wishes to read the remarks then they can do so but they should remember that everyone needs a safety valve from time to time and this can be the place for it.
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Flap, calm down a little and think. The remarks are not being made to the complainants faces. They are simply feelings about a situation being aired in a place where it is safe to do so, such things are allowed and where the vast majority of posters are from the Military. By no means are all the posts of a derogatory nature, there are several which aren't. If anyone else wishes to read the remarks then they can do so but they should remember that everyone needs a safety valve from time to time and this can be the place for it.
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The Hercules aircraft fleet at RAF Brize Norton has broken official Ministry of Defence guidelines on noise, according to a report.
Another option would be to detach a squadron of Typhoons to BZN for a month or so. Round the clock exercise flying. It would seem so quiet afterwards. It's all relative!
Miserable NIMBY's buying houses next to an airfield.
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Ahh, how sweet, how, very, quaint!
One would hope that work is well underway to get the guidelines
changed!
Another option would be to detach a squadron of Typhoons to BZN for
a month or so. Round the clock exercise flying. It would seem so quiet
afterwards. It's all relative!
Miserable NIMBY's buying houses next to an
airfield.
changed!
Another option would be to detach a squadron of Typhoons to BZN for
a month or so. Round the clock exercise flying. It would seem so quiet
afterwards. It's all relative!
Miserable NIMBY's buying houses next to an
airfield.
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Noise complaints - Hercules . . . From the
INSIDE or the OUTSIDE
INSIDE or the OUTSIDE
Not just the noise. Once returned from a Shack Malta detachment by Hercair still wearing KD. The other cargo consisted of petrol driven generators so heating was not allowed in the passenger area where we enjoyed the luxury of para seats. To avoid hypothermia the captain invited groups of four pax to the flight deck for a smoke and defrost.
After a couple of hours airborne out of Luqa I counted 14 on the flight deck including the non smokers.
Noise was not an issue on that trip!