Scotland would get 18 fast jets plus 26 helos if it splits
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Pray tell?
'It is of course not unusual to come across ill informed pish on PPRuNe, but this thread is classic pish.'
Pray tell all, old boy.
Call me, 'intrigued............'
Pray tell all, old boy.
Call me, 'intrigued............'
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If the Scots do go their own way you know their defence will go to zero - a few patrol boats, a couple of small MPA aircraft, a large A330 for the Main Man and some hollowed out regiments in skirts to form an honour guard for visiting heads-of-state at Edinburgh
They'll be lucky if they are as big as the Irish armed forces
The SNP are promising everything to everyone and God knows where the cash will come from. Salmond isn't willing to tell people that if they want a Norwegian standard of living they have to pay Norwegian levels of tax.........
They'll be lucky if they are as big as the Irish armed forces
The SNP are promising everything to everyone and God knows where the cash will come from. Salmond isn't willing to tell people that if they want a Norwegian standard of living they have to pay Norwegian levels of tax.........
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I am afraid you are out of date - Ireland/Iceland/Norway are now out of date as comparisons - for obvious reasons - nobody wants a basket case economy or high taxes so the SNP have moved on to Latvia and Estonia as comparisons for what an Independent Scotland would be like.
Wee Eck blows with the wind of the opinion polls - he and his party have no real policies for how an Independent Scotland would perform, he makes it up. He made up the "fact" that Scotland would have a rep on the Bank of England monetary committee even though this could not happen.
HF
if they want a Norwegian standard of living
Wee Eck blows with the wind of the opinion polls - he and his party have no real policies for how an Independent Scotland would perform, he makes it up. He made up the "fact" that Scotland would have a rep on the Bank of England monetary committee even though this could not happen.
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Since the assets belong to Betty, they won't be getting anything unless they buy it!
Considering 'Betty' is not only Queen Elizabeth II of England but Queen Elizabeth I of Scots, why exactly would that be the case PP
Hmm. I would have thought that was obvious. Her Majesty would no longer be Queen of Scots after independance. If you wish to leave the Union, why would you expect the Union to GIVE you stuff. If you want the use of STUFF, stay, if you want to go it alone, go ahead. Just don't expect the remainder of Great Britain to continue to prop you up. OR GIVE YOU ANY STUFF. All that military hardware is UK/GB property; leave the UK/GB and leave the benefits behind.
The choice is yours.
Considering 'Betty' is not only Queen Elizabeth II of England but Queen Elizabeth I of Scots, why exactly would that be the case PP
Hmm. I would have thought that was obvious. Her Majesty would no longer be Queen of Scots after independance. If you wish to leave the Union, why would you expect the Union to GIVE you stuff. If you want the use of STUFF, stay, if you want to go it alone, go ahead. Just don't expect the remainder of Great Britain to continue to prop you up. OR GIVE YOU ANY STUFF. All that military hardware is UK/GB property; leave the UK/GB and leave the benefits behind.
The choice is yours.
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Despite this, the SNP defence policy seems to advocate the closure of Rosyth Dockyard, and acquiring an SSK fleet. Lets ignore the fact that no one in the UK builds SSKs, so Scotlands going to have to buy them overseas.
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I have Scottish ancestry so I take an interest in this whole debate.
I haven't read everything written on the Scottish Independence debate but
I can't see what the Scots see in going down this route except being able
to say they are free of the English.
They seem to have the best of both worlds at the moment.
It also seems like one person pushed along by a vocal minority and
his own personal hatred of the English and grasping at anything they
can to help sell it to the masses (and changing position if it will help sell it - EU) and of course leaving out the negative parts.
I haven't read everything written on the Scottish Independence debate but
I can't see what the Scots see in going down this route except being able
to say they are free of the English.
They seem to have the best of both worlds at the moment.
It also seems like one person pushed along by a vocal minority and
his own personal hatred of the English and grasping at anything they
can to help sell it to the masses (and changing position if it will help sell it - EU) and of course leaving out the negative parts.
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Hmm. I would have thought that was obvious. Her Majesty would no longer be Queen of Scots after independance. If you wish to leave the Union, why would you expect the Union to GIVE you stuff. If you want the use of STUFF, stay, if you want to go it alone, go ahead. Just don't expect the remainder of Great Britain to continue to prop you up. OR GIVE YOU ANY STUFF. All that military hardware is UK/GB property; leave the UK/GB and leave the benefits behind.
The choice is yours.
The choice is yours.
Secondly - Why would Her Majesty no longer be the Queen of Scots? It was King James VI of Scots that united the crowns when he also became King James I of England on the death of the childless Queen Elizabeth I of England. The present royal family can be traced back to that point so the present Queen Elizabeth is equally Queen Elizabeth I of Scots as she is Queen Elizabeth II of England - separation will not alter that fact, just like independence of the multitude of Commonwealth states did not prevent her from remaining their Queen.
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Have the Jockistanis yet been told that soon the only RAF fast jet station remaining in Scotland will be Leuchars?
Rumour doing the round is that both Kinloss and Lossiemouth will go and that the F-35B will be based at Leuchars......
Of course one or other Morayshire aerodrome could go onto C&M pending a future MPA decision.
Rumour doing the round is that both Kinloss and Lossiemouth will go and that the F-35B will be based at Leuchars......
Of course one or other Morayshire aerodrome could go onto C&M pending a future MPA decision.
It is like walking out on a marriage. Close the door and leave everything behind.
Even the Anglo-Irish Treaty of 1921, in somewhat different circumstances, agreed that the Free State would take its share of the UK national debt, and war pension liabilities.
One of the problems with the "close the door and leave everything behind" idea is that it closes off the "what will happen about..." hard questions which need to be asked.
SNP have moved on to Latvia and Estonia as comparisons for what an Independent Scotland would be like
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No matter what forum in which you read a thread about Scottish Independence they all end in the same old inane arguments. For me the reason to vote yes in 2014 is this...
Westminster is a lost cause. There is no hope of changing a system that is so putridly corrupt. Perhaps in Scotland, by voting for independence we can have a chance at a new way of doing things. There are no guaruntees on anything, it might all go tits up or we might end up doing very well for ourselves. We will never know until we go. What I will say though is that, whether you like Alec Salmond or not, the SNP have done a good job with the powers they have, so I have no problem giving them a crack at the top job.
Westminster is a lost cause. There is no hope of changing a system that is so putridly corrupt. Perhaps in Scotland, by voting for independence we can have a chance at a new way of doing things. There are no guaruntees on anything, it might all go tits up or we might end up doing very well for ourselves. We will never know until we go. What I will say though is that, whether you like Alec Salmond or not, the SNP have done a good job with the powers they have, so I have no problem giving them a crack at the top job.
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As she (Elizabeth) is a direct descendent from the House of Hanover, would Scotland not then be entitled to claim a portion of the German Army, Navy and Airforce? 
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Personally, I think the referendum should be held in England as well and that case the overwhelming result would be "Sling your hook and don't come back". Stop the flow of money going up North and sever all umbilicals. Don't let them print any £ locally and give them 12 months to migrate to what ever other currency they choose.
Phew! that feels better already
Phew! that feels better already
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Don't let them print any £ locally
However, with the complete mix of English and Scottish blood in people throughout the whole UK I personally hope that this whole bid for independence fails!
Mysterywhiteboy - what would you do if Scotland get "a chance at a new way of doing things" and it fails terribly would you expect, after you had tried your little experiment, that what is left of the Union will open their arms and welcome a sobbing Scotland back into the fold?
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Westminster is a lost cause. There is no hope of changing a system that is so putridly corrupt. Perhaps in Scotland, by voting for independence we can have a chance at a new way of doing things. There are no guaruntees on anything, it might all go tits up or we might end up doing very well for ourselves. We will never know until we go. What I will say though is that, whether you like Alec Salmond or not, the SNP have done a good job with the powers they have, so I have no problem giving them a crack at the top job.
Personally, I hope the UK stays united. If the scots decide to go it alone, then good luck, but don't ever think about coming back to mother England with your tails between your legs.
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Mysterywhiteboy - what would you do if Scotland get "a chance at a new way of doing things" and it fails terribly would you expect, after you had tried your little experiment, that what is left of the Union will open their arms and welcome a sobbing Scotland back into the fold?
mother England