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Showing Respect
Captain tercrew. My reference to 1952 versus 2012 simply meant that times do change, nothing about how we should show respect. Respect has to be earned and no doubt HRH QE II deserves respect. Some lesser members of her family are not so deserving of it. As for respect in the military that also has to be earned. Simply holding a Queen's Commission does not make an individual any more deserving of respect than the SNCO's or OR's, all of whom contibute to the performance and effectiveness of the force.
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Old Fella,
I may be misunderstanding what you have written. If so, I apologise.
I was always taught that the salute is a sign of respect not for the person wearing it, but to their commission, which was given to them by the queen. Returning a salute is done so, by the officer, on behalf of the queen.
As for times changing, yes they have. Does that mean respect and manners are a bad thing? I see a lack of honour, dignity and manners as a negative. This is why I find myself disliking most/ all politicians. They appear to lack all of these. I will show my respect to the queen, and, if a person deserves it, irrespective of rank, to them.
I may be misunderstanding what you have written. If so, I apologise.
I was always taught that the salute is a sign of respect not for the person wearing it, but to their commission, which was given to them by the queen. Returning a salute is done so, by the officer, on behalf of the queen.
As for times changing, yes they have. Does that mean respect and manners are a bad thing? I see a lack of honour, dignity and manners as a negative. This is why I find myself disliking most/ all politicians. They appear to lack all of these. I will show my respect to the queen, and, if a person deserves it, irrespective of rank, to them.
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hval. No apology required or expected. Respect and good manners are most certainly not a bad thing, just difficult to find these days. As for the salute and what it means I know a number of Officers felt it was they, and not the Monarch, whom deserved the salutation. Those with that view I did not respect. Despite serving for more than 20 years I never was able to come to the view that all the ceremonial stuff was of any real benefit to the bulk of what we were trying to achieve. In my case it was initially maintaining aircraft and later being part of the operating crew. I respected all ranks with whom I served, if I thought it was deserved. Those I did not usually became aware of the fact. Thankfully those whom I did not respect were very much in the minority.
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I was always taught that the salute is a sign of respect not for the person wearing it, but to their commission
"It's 2012 for christ sake, not 1952..."
Capital C, as in Buddha, Mohammed etc. Just old-fashioned good manners.
Capital C, as in Buddha, Mohammed etc. Just old-fashioned good manners.
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Some people have said the 'it's 2012 not 1952' like that is a good thing. I'm not so sure.
Duncs
PS I stood for the National Anthem whilst watching the Parade/Flypast from my drawing room.
Duncs
PS I stood for the National Anthem whilst watching the Parade/Flypast from my drawing room.
Its not a problem: I shall stick to my 1952 standards, which imply that I tolerate those of 2012 whilst reserving judgement.
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Hope you had a good day in the end 
PS I stood for the National Anthem whilst watching the Parade/Flypast from my drawing room.
2012 = Pimp ma Crib bro, just look at ma Roost!
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Surely if it was 1952 the OP would have been 60 years too soon................ ok coat's by the door on my way out
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Had a great time thanks, feel quite honoured and extremely proud to have been there when the Armed Forces paid their tribute to the Monarch in the 60th year of her reign. As for Old Fella saying that parades are not important, I disagree. Whilst walking around Windsor both before and after the parade, the public were both excited and respectful. Parades are a way to show the public that the Military is still there and is proud to serve. There was a great deal of respect around on Sat - from the Military to the Monarch, from the Military to its own members and from the public to the Military. A good day all round.
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Good to hear.
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Move along folks... Not a lot to see here..... 
Passed out, serving Officer doesn't know when to salute yet doubtless expects Airmen to show them respect and follow their leadership. 
Ye, right. The modern RAF. Be all you can be.
(But at least you had the nouce to ask).
Mine Farter was Ine Dutchman, mit mine yur yur yur!
Ye, right. The modern RAF. Be all you can be.
(But at least you had the nouce to ask).
Mine Farter was Ine Dutchman, mit mine yur yur yur!
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Parades a waste of time
Just to clarify what I think about parades. Ceremonial Parades, such as that commemoration of the 60 year reign of HRH QE II are fine. My comment was aimed at monthly OC's Parades and Mess Dining in Nights on Operational Bases. They were both a waste of time as far as I was concerned, most likely as I spent far too much time away from family flying to be bothered with Dining in Nights, Orderly Sergeant Duty, etc. The Parades did nothing to enhance our operational effectiveness. Besides, I could never stay in step!!!!