how to get out the raf regt after a year and 6 months?
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Show stopper, possibly, and possibly not, but I know that if any candidate came to work for me explaining that he left the RAF by circumventing the proper channels and reneged on his contract by intimating that he may or may not have taken drugs, he wouldn't be high on my list of dream candidates.
I'm sure you're well aware there's a vast amount of competition for every job out there, however simple it might be, so employers can afford to be choosy. I think the fact that someone has a track record of baling on a contract by at best, questionable means, puts him at a disadvantage straight away to the (for example) RAF Regiment gunner leaving at the end of 12 years with an exemplary conduct record.
I think you're right that refusal to take the test results in summary dismissal, I believe several gunners have already gone that route in the last year or so, so there seems to be a precedent. I'd bet a good sum on them not being in paid employment right now though, and if they are it won't be for the best package or for the most discerning employer.
then would it really be a show stopper for a future career?
I'm sure you're well aware there's a vast amount of competition for every job out there, however simple it might be, so employers can afford to be choosy. I think the fact that someone has a track record of baling on a contract by at best, questionable means, puts him at a disadvantage straight away to the (for example) RAF Regiment gunner leaving at the end of 12 years with an exemplary conduct record.
I think you're right that refusal to take the test results in summary dismissal, I believe several gunners have already gone that route in the last year or so, so there seems to be a precedent. I'd bet a good sum on them not being in paid employment right now though, and if they are it won't be for the best package or for the most discerning employer.
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I thought, and someone please correct me if I'm wrong, that all you have to do is refuse to take the CDT, and you were automatically discharged, i.e. there is no requirement to either take, or admit (rightly or wrongly) to having taken drugs.
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I have never been called forward for CDT so you might have to wait a long time to refuse one.
I, nor any of the other people who took the test whilst I was there, failed, but then again, we were all old fogies, not a single young chap/chapess to be seen. Have they become properly random, or is the aim to conduct the test and have the least number of failures by targetting those tested.
The mob I'm in now, use the last digit of the service number to identify testees for any given test.
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Please tell me you were not being serious. Good guys as they are, a plain vanilla RAFR Gunner with 18 months' service is not SF 
Clearly, the cachet of being 'Special Forces' doesn't appeal to everyone..........
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Please tell me you were not being serious.
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oaf, I don't think a sex change would get you discharged
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Actually a sex change would, at worst, get him transferred to the Auggies. Women cannot serve on Regiment Squadrons.
Go for it mate... Then you can have your dream and be a slut...
Go for it mate... Then you can have your dream and be a slut...
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They are Special Forces at least to some. One Miss PN was an auggie for 2-3 years. She did a summer camp at Atlanta and was working with a US National Guard unit. The US could not get their heads around either SAC or the Regiment and were convinced (by the SACs) that an SAC was senior to a US Cpl (or whatever) and the US believed they were special forces.
Mind you their judgement was lacking as they put Miss PN in charge of a Humvee and even let her drive a Bradley. She took 5 goes to pass her driving test
Mind you their judgement was lacking as they put Miss PN in charge of a Humvee and even let her drive a Bradley. She took 5 goes to pass her driving test
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.
I know it's a changed airforce from 1978 but I found that just going in every day and saying "that I didn't want to do it any more" was quite successful, even if it did take six months.
Having gone to Swinderby at 16½ and then nearly two years at Valley, a year at Northern and a year at Boulmer, I was still unaware of what civvy life was all about, but I wanted to know.
I had tried going awol for a week in November 1977, but they brought me back; I lived in the guardroom for 5 days, doing odd stuff like accompanying the SDO to raise and lower the flag each day, and answering the phone as "Duty Prisoner"
Then they told me to go back to work and we'd pretend it had never happened. I did try, but my heart wasn't in it.
Next up was Op Burberry and that kept me out of trouble for 6 weeks, but then they wanted to send me back down the mines again.
I went to Wroughton and explained that I had no issue with working in the R3, I just didn't want to be in the airforce any more.
So.... they sent me to Stafford to hold. The only airtrafficker ever posted there in the 70s as far as I know. I had a few months of great fun. Mornings on the 25 yard range, with the Rock Flt Lt who had an eye patch, melting the barrel of an SLR and afternoons playing pool in the bar.
Then I went to Cosford for a month where a very nice old chap, Electronics Instructor Flt. Sgt. tried to entice me to remuster to be a tech.
Eventually, by June 1978 it was decided by PMC that I was never going to see sense, and so they let me go. Up until the last week of my service, they were offering to let bygones be and have me back at work.
It was actually very difficult to get thrown out, mainly as so many good people were trying to save me from myself.
I'd suggest the OP considers how green the civvy grass actually may or may not be, and then take a few days to reflect on just why it is so difficult to join up in the first place.
There are worse things than being a rock for the next six years.
As Airborne Aircrew wrote
Having gone to Swinderby at 16½ and then nearly two years at Valley, a year at Northern and a year at Boulmer, I was still unaware of what civvy life was all about, but I wanted to know.
I had tried going awol for a week in November 1977, but they brought me back; I lived in the guardroom for 5 days, doing odd stuff like accompanying the SDO to raise and lower the flag each day, and answering the phone as "Duty Prisoner"
Then they told me to go back to work and we'd pretend it had never happened. I did try, but my heart wasn't in it.
Next up was Op Burberry and that kept me out of trouble for 6 weeks, but then they wanted to send me back down the mines again.
I went to Wroughton and explained that I had no issue with working in the R3, I just didn't want to be in the airforce any more.
So.... they sent me to Stafford to hold. The only airtrafficker ever posted there in the 70s as far as I know. I had a few months of great fun. Mornings on the 25 yard range, with the Rock Flt Lt who had an eye patch, melting the barrel of an SLR and afternoons playing pool in the bar.
Then I went to Cosford for a month where a very nice old chap, Electronics Instructor Flt. Sgt. tried to entice me to remuster to be a tech.
Eventually, by June 1978 it was decided by PMC that I was never going to see sense, and so they let me go. Up until the last week of my service, they were offering to let bygones be and have me back at work.
It was actually very difficult to get thrown out, mainly as so many good people were trying to save me from myself.
I'd suggest the OP considers how green the civvy grass actually may or may not be, and then take a few days to reflect on just why it is so difficult to join up in the first place.
There are worse things than being a rock for the next six years.
As Airborne Aircrew wrote
Suck it up, make the best of it and learn from it. It will stand you in great stead for the future.
mtrad - if you haven't been put off by all the banter and are still reading this thread, I'm intrigued to know what job you have lined up for yourself?
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Get an imaginary bike and ride it around your camp.
When your discharge comes through, remember to park the bike at the main gate, kick it over, then tell the guard commander that you won't be needing it any more.
Job jobbed.
When your discharge comes through, remember to park the bike at the main gate, kick it over, then tell the guard commander that you won't be needing it any more.
Job jobbed.
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with the Rock Flt Lt who had an eye patch,
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lol no I havent been put off by all the banter. I have a job lined up as an apprentice electrician.I dont really know what the generaltake is on the length of time as people think diffrent things. ill speak to the dessk and find out what the crack is.Can you be out in 4 weeks? im not to sure
oaf, I don't think a sex change would get you discharged.
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Interesting to note that Civvy firms are now asking for a 3 month notice period depending on what you are doing of course.
The last 2 permy jobs I have done in IT (Business Intelligence) have asked for 3 months notice.
I have lost a few interviews and at least one job because I cannot get out any faster. Used to be a month notice - long gone in my game.
In the end I just had to say I could get out in 4-8 weeks and hope for the best. Luckily I have managed to get out in 8 weeks.
Good luck.
The last 2 permy jobs I have done in IT (Business Intelligence) have asked for 3 months notice.
I have lost a few interviews and at least one job because I cannot get out any faster. Used to be a month notice - long gone in my game.
In the end I just had to say I could get out in 4-8 weeks and hope for the best. Luckily I have managed to get out in 8 weeks.
Good luck.
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Lol i have a job as an apprentice electrition. So what the general rule in can take from 4 weeks to anythin. i will speak to my desk and find out hoe long.
Lol i have a job as an apprentice electrition. So what the general rule in can take from 4 weeks to anythin. i will speak to my desk and find out hoe long.
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Even in these enlightened times I still think the homosexual route is the way to go!
If you were to tell your rock flight commander you are not gay I can't see that affecting your chance of an apprenticeship later on, but should get you out of the regt
If you were to tell your rock flight commander you are not gay I can't see that affecting your chance of an apprenticeship later on, but should get you out of the regt