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RAAF F-35 delayed purchase?

Old 3rd May 2012, 06:17
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RAAF F-35 delayed purchase?

Military funding takes a direct hit

Money's dried up from the endless (open) pit has it? Where does that leave us considering the F111's are gone? Will the Super Hornets do?
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Old 3rd May 2012, 06:30
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Buster

You beat me to it.

It will be interesting to read in more detail in
The Australian on the weekend and the analysis.

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Also hearing that the Marand Aerostructures faculty that was to be built at Lara near Geelong with a lot of government $$$$$$$$ may have been canned as well they were going to build a lot of parts.
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Do I win a prize 500N?

Just potential jobs in Victoria lost, not actual Jethro. I'm sure some polly will mention it.
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An article by Jim Molan: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rc...6JDqlv_OI-AT4Q

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However....
The Federal Government will pay families up to $300 a week to temporarily house asylum seekers in their homes to help deal with the increasing flood of arrivals.
With the Immigration Department now facing a potential shortage of community housing to accommodate detainees who are being released into the community, the Government has turned to householders for help.
Under a plan slated to start next month, the Government will seek to access the 5000 homes registered under the privately run Australian Homestay Network (AHN) to host asylum seekers released from detention on bridging visas.
AHN was originally established to provide short-term private home accommodation and board for international students.
The organisation, which first approached the Federal Government with the plan last year, began writing to its national client base three weeks ago seeking applications from home owners to house asylum seekers.
The Immigration Department confirmed it would pay for security vetting and training for families which want to take up the offer.
It will also pay a weekly stipend of between $220 and $300 to families to cover food and board for detainees.
Almost 1000 detainees have been released into the community over the past two months, since the Government's change of policy last year to ease pressure on detention centres.
The high cost of the Community Placement Network plan is expected to be allocated from the existing detention centre funding, which will be revealed in next week's Budget.
The AHN, which was set up to accommodate international students for short periods in family homes, claimed the initial period of housing for asylum seekers would be for six weeks, but could be extended.
"The Community Placement Network is an initiative designed to provide short-term accommodation (for) eligible asylum seekers while they independently source longer term sustainable accommodation in the community," AHN executive chairman David Bycroft said.
"The CPN is for people interested in assisting asylum seekers to live in the community on a bridging visa while awaiting the resolution of their immigration status. It is not for people interested in international student hosting."
The Refugee Council of Australia has backed the plan, claiming it would allow more people to be released from detention and live in the community while their applications were processed.
"Mandatory detention makes people mentally ill and is expensive," the council's CEO Paul Power said.
Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison slammed the plan, claiming it confirmed the Government had reached the point of desperation: "Labor's decision to house adult male asylum seekers released on bridging visas in the spare rooms of Australian families is a desperate, reckless policy from a government that has lost control.
"When Australians expressed concern about rising costs of living, this was not an invitation for Julia Gillard to supplement household incomes by offering to pay the rent on your spare room or granny flat for asylum seekers.
"The fact Australian families are now being asked to house asylum seekers who have arrived illegally by boat, including those whose claims have been rejected, shows just how desperate Labor have become over their failed border protection policies which have seen almost 17,000 people now arrive on 301 boats."
A spokesman for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen, said: "This is yet another cheap shot from the Coalition, who like to demonise asylum seeker issues."
Priorities, eh?
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Captain Sand Dune.
You weren't the only one to notice that in the same newspaper.

And yesterday I read about the opposition wouldn't cut work
for the dole scheme money - if you can call it work for the dole !!!
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And give funding priority to the Navy? What a joke, there's the service that has failed to deliver anything near bang for buck.
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Are you referring to the $100 million allocated to the design of the new sub
or something along those lines ?

I did raise my eyebrows about that and that we seem to be going down
the same route we did all those years ago with the sub corp.
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Yes, the Government appears to be slashing the Defense budget, yet at the same time, talking up these mythical, giant conventional submarines. It is smoke and mirrors.

I think the RAAF has gambled and lost on JSF. It won't get its 100 aircraft fleet. If it had opted for a hi-lo mix, I think those numbers were achievable.
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I also noted in Julia's speech today, that she said Australia would be 'ONE' of the most capable defence forces in our region......Well Julia, you actually need to be 'THE' most capable to be credible at first contact with the enemy!
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I'm no capability expert, but I was trying to explain the valu of artillery to someone today. In the end, I just used Long Tan as an analogy. Without artillery, and bloody good artillerymen, that could have been a very different outcome.
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Australia to push back F-35 decision by two years

Looks like the Govt are hedging again to see which way the axe will fall. Plenty of spin coming from Canberra.
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Plenty of spin and no CDF at the announcement - I saw it said that the pollies had by passed the heads of defence.

Agree re why Navy when they haven't delivered.

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A very good analogy.
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I saw it said that the pollies had by passed the heads of defence.
Again? This happened when I was in Canberra doing Typhoon things some years ago. Crazy. But then it's the same elsewhere.
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I see the Australian has a few articles already.

One on the subs, they have made the decision on 12 and they will be built in Adelaide but haven't decided on which design.

So jobs in SA over saving money on just buying them already made somewhere else at a cheaper price !

Let's pray that the next 12 are better than the last 12.
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Without artillery, and bloody good artillerymen, that [Long Tan] could have been a very different outcome.
They're cancelling/deferring the long awaited self-propelled arty, which in this day and age, is suicide for the poor bastards manning the towed variety (and therefore [see the quote above, which is 100% accurate], those they're supporting) if they're ever sent into action against a halfway decently equipped enemy, for, today, with radar tracking of arty rounds, the gun needs to move PDQ after firing a very few rounds before its site is pounded to oblivion by counter battery fire.

As for the submarines escaping the cuts... it's all about politics, jobs and pork barrelling in South Australia. But $240 million just for investigations into the new type? Wowsers! That's some serious investigating.

On the ABC (Sydney) this morning, an indignant and outraged SMS from a listener: "Who needs submarines? Child care payments for single parents continuing after the youngest child turns six are far more important." Says it all really, especially about your average ABC listener.
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Lease 12 Virginia class.
Set up a nuclear industry in SA.
They're building `em quicker than ever these days:
9th Virginia Class Nuclear Sub Delivered to the US Navy One Year Ahead of Schedule | Defense Update
Fast - quiet - proven.
End of story.
But then of course - that'd be against Govt policy - wouldn't it...
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Well, yes, it is against policy because the 3rd aspect (after 12 subs and built in SA) was Non Nuclear.

Either way, it is all political based decision making as was shown in one article as one major aspect they are looking at is interoperability with the US who they know they will be working closely with - most of us would say just use what they are using (assuming they will sell them current class to allies - not sure on that one).
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My point exactly.
Government policy is asinine.
There's no way they can build a non-nuclear boat of that size and range.
But that's thread drift....
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