RAAF F-35 delayed purchase?
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Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself
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AUSTRALIA'S defence budget has been cut to pre-World War II levels, with spending for 2012-13 falling to below 1.6 per cent of gross domestic product, a level unmatched since the 1930s.
"It's reduced to levels not seen since the time of the Munich peace marches," said defence spending expert Mark Thomson from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, invoking an iconic moment from the 1930s.
"It's reduced to levels not seen since the time of the Munich peace marches," said defence spending expert Mark Thomson from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, invoking an iconic moment from the 1930s.
I'm a little unsure as to where these fighters are going to fight...........
In China?
Indonesia (which is a bloody big place...)??
Surely medium -long range anti-ship strike is the only LIKELY mission the RAAF will ever need
In China?
Indonesia (which is a bloody big place...)??
Surely medium -long range anti-ship strike is the only LIKELY mission the RAAF will ever need
Somewhat of a staggering comment
"Surely medium long range anti ship strike is the only LIKELY mission the RAAF will ever need"
So we are going to go around shooting other peoples ships but we won't need a modern fighter force in that case? Realllllllyyyyy...
I think it would be more LIKELY if we do need to end up shooting other peoples ships we are going to want the best possible ADF (including fighters!) and we will need every element of it.
"Surely medium long range anti ship strike is the only LIKELY mission the RAAF will ever need"
So we are going to go around shooting other peoples ships but we won't need a modern fighter force in that case? Realllllllyyyyy...
I think it would be more LIKELY if we do need to end up shooting other peoples ships we are going to want the best possible ADF (including fighters!) and we will need every element of it.
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if the ships you re shooting at are a couple of thousand km from the fighter bases why do you need fighter cover?
I just can't see a reasonable scenario where the RAAF will be fighting front line PLA (AF) fighters anywhere near Australia
If you believe that the Chinese are going to invade (say ) Brunei that is 2600 kms from Darwin - same as the RAF wanting to fight over Murmansk from Northolt = does not compute
Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that the TNI-AU will be a serious threat in the next 30 years the only reason to have state of the art fighter is to keep up with the USAF
I just can't see a reasonable scenario where the RAAF will be fighting front line PLA (AF) fighters anywhere near Australia
If you believe that the Chinese are going to invade (say ) Brunei that is 2600 kms from Darwin - same as the RAF wanting to fight over Murmansk from Northolt = does not compute
Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that the TNI-AU will be a serious threat in the next 30 years the only reason to have state of the art fighter is to keep up with the USAF
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Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that the TNI-AU will be a serious threat in the next 30 years the only reason to have state of the art fighter is to keep up with the USAF
Harry, I see your point but I'm afraid I disagree.
Who knows what will happen in the next 30 years, and that is why you hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Lets have a look at whats happening right now.
The USA has a Trillion dollar debt and cutting defence like never before. JP Morgan says it has just lost 2 billion on the same deals it lost money on last time.
Some of the EU countries have decided that having 50% of your debt written off still isn't good enough, others think we want that deal. The only 2 countries who have any money now disagree about the agreed plan. The money markets begin to shake...
North Korea is anyones guess, their people starve but they still launch missiles.
Iran has nukes, Israel knows this. The oil price teeters.
Meanwhile the British PM sends out texts ending in LOL...
That is happening now...think I'll take the best fighter on offer thanks. Unfortunately we have a government who has just cut our defence to a level of GDP not seen since 1938...the last time people thought like that ended in WWII.
Who knows what will happen in the next 30 years, and that is why you hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Lets have a look at whats happening right now.
The USA has a Trillion dollar debt and cutting defence like never before. JP Morgan says it has just lost 2 billion on the same deals it lost money on last time.
Some of the EU countries have decided that having 50% of your debt written off still isn't good enough, others think we want that deal. The only 2 countries who have any money now disagree about the agreed plan. The money markets begin to shake...
North Korea is anyones guess, their people starve but they still launch missiles.
Iran has nukes, Israel knows this. The oil price teeters.
Meanwhile the British PM sends out texts ending in LOL...
That is happening now...think I'll take the best fighter on offer thanks. Unfortunately we have a government who has just cut our defence to a level of GDP not seen since 1938...the last time people thought like that ended in WWII.
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Whilst I have said this before, the facts do not change our situation, we are left in a most delicate situation.
No Labour government has ever taken defence seriously, and they would rather be trying to gain brownee points with the public with hand outs rather than presenting solid support for our security.
We need to start some real long term planing, raising the professional standard of our armed forces, particularly with the RAN, who consume much of the defence budget but fail to act in a professional manner.
This government will surely be kicked out at the next election, the majority of the public is sick if their lies, the constant spin and their lack of a real long term plan of how to grow this country.
Our defence people need the best of government support, the best in equipment and to give pathway to success. To do any less is to send them out to fight with one hand tied behind their back.
The government needs to totally support the armed forces with dedicated people who will do their very best for our service people, not some staff who understand nothing about how to make it happen.
There needs to be mutual respect by both parties and I sure do not see that today. No wonder our service staff are leaving they can see no future with what Labour present.
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No Labour government has ever taken defence seriously, and they would rather be trying to gain brownee points with the public with hand outs rather than presenting solid support for our security.
We need to start some real long term planing, raising the professional standard of our armed forces, particularly with the RAN, who consume much of the defence budget but fail to act in a professional manner.
This government will surely be kicked out at the next election, the majority of the public is sick if their lies, the constant spin and their lack of a real long term plan of how to grow this country.
Our defence people need the best of government support, the best in equipment and to give pathway to success. To do any less is to send them out to fight with one hand tied behind their back.
The government needs to totally support the armed forces with dedicated people who will do their very best for our service people, not some staff who understand nothing about how to make it happen.
There needs to be mutual respect by both parties and I sure do not see that today. No wonder our service staff are leaving they can see no future with what Labour present.
Regards
Col
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Heathrow Harry - it may not happen over the skies of Darwin but it is quite plausible that the RAAF Air Combat Group could be forward deployed to Guam, Japan, Butterworth, UAE etc to fight Iran, Syria, China, North Korea - the list goes on.
When was the last time that an RAF fighter (not strike) launched from the UK on a combat mission?
When was the last time that an RAF fighter (not strike) launched from the UK on a combat mission?
Unless you SERIOUSLY believe that the TNI-AU will be a serious threat in the next 30 years the only reason to have state of the art fighter is to keep up with the USAF
The ability of the RAAF to maintain a technological and training edge over a modernized TNI-AU, makes sense, as it fits a number of other possible regional scenarios.
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particularly with the RAN, who consume much of the defence budget but fail to act in a professional manner
Maybe I have taken your statement out of context.
Cheers
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last time I was in Darwin there were almost as many Indonesians as Oztralians - most people in OZ would never want to live there
but, seriously - why would you "deploy forward " to Guam etc?
Haven't you learnt what happens when you get into American led fights in places that you have no real interests???
The TNI-AU are much closer to the Chinese and even have some Chinese claims over their offshore areas - hence the need (maybe) for modern weaponry
but, seriously - why would you "deploy forward " to Guam etc?
Haven't you learnt what happens when you get into American led fights in places that you have no real interests???
The TNI-AU are much closer to the Chinese and even have some Chinese claims over their offshore areas - hence the need (maybe) for modern weaponry
