Sacked RAF Liable to Call Up for 18 Years
No such thing as 'called forward' under the law.
Leon, those .pdfs sum up what's wrong with the system. No-one can really understand them completely.
Dear Bloggs:
You left the RAF on nn.nn.nnnn. Your reserve liability is as follows:
1. Call-out until nn.nn.nnnn. This means that, if (.....................), you might be required to augment regular RAF forces for a maximum single period of (....).
2. Re-call until nn.nn.nnnn. This means that, if (.....................), you might be required to assist in the defence of the UK for a maximum single period of (....).
3. Until nn.nn.nnnn, if you change your name, change address or (.....), please advise 0800nnnnnnn or via e-mail to reserves@..............
For further information, contact www.reservehelpline........
K.I.S.S.!!
As for 'dire emergency', how does that definition cover Bliar's illegal military adventurism?
Leon, those .pdfs sum up what's wrong with the system. No-one can really understand them completely.
Dear Bloggs:
You left the RAF on nn.nn.nnnn. Your reserve liability is as follows:
1. Call-out until nn.nn.nnnn. This means that, if (.....................), you might be required to augment regular RAF forces for a maximum single period of (....).
2. Re-call until nn.nn.nnnn. This means that, if (.....................), you might be required to assist in the defence of the UK for a maximum single period of (....).
3. Until nn.nn.nnnn, if you change your name, change address or (.....), please advise 0800nnnnnnn or via e-mail to reserves@..............
For further information, contact www.reservehelpline........
K.I.S.S.!!
As for 'dire emergency', how does that definition cover Bliar's illegal military adventurism?
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Beagle, yes, not a very organised system.
As I intimated in my last post, the RAF didn't even bother to tell me that they have changed their address where I'm supposed to contact them to tell them that I've changed my address...
The last contact I had with RAF Innsworth, they wrote to ask me to become an HRR pilot (High Readiness Reserve). I was living over 6,000 miles away from the base they wanted me to be on high readiness for (they did know where I was, as I had kept them informed, iaw the rules).
They offered to pay me motor mileage from Luton airport to the duty base. But it would cost me £1200 in air fares each time I reported for duty, and my employer wouldn't release me in any case, due to the nature of my new employment. So I declined.
As I intimated in my last post, the RAF didn't even bother to tell me that they have changed their address where I'm supposed to contact them to tell them that I've changed my address...
The last contact I had with RAF Innsworth, they wrote to ask me to become an HRR pilot (High Readiness Reserve). I was living over 6,000 miles away from the base they wanted me to be on high readiness for (they did know where I was, as I had kept them informed, iaw the rules).
They offered to pay me motor mileage from Luton airport to the duty base. But it would cost me £1200 in air fares each time I reported for duty, and my employer wouldn't release me in any case, due to the nature of my new employment. So I declined.
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One could imagine a good lawyer could tie it up in court getting a definition as to what is dire and if your call up is legal...
Leon, one was not saying they would not turn up, hence have answered the spirit of the law, simply once there you would have more luck heading cats than getting anything out of them... No incentive for anything else is there.
Leon, one was not saying they would not turn up, hence have answered the spirit of the law, simply once there you would have more luck heading cats than getting anything out of them... No incentive for anything else is there.
Oh dear! People are getting into a tizz!
There is an Appeals Tribunal based at RAF Boddington that deals with ex SP or members of the RAuxAF who are called up - and refuse to do so. . A Mobilisation Order is a legal order issued under RFA96 and the Tribunal Is a properly constituted body authorized to adjudicate. irrespective of the muddling associated with tracking down ex SP, calling up the reserves does require SofS approval and is not done lightly.
I side with LJ on this one - its part of the deal when we enlist and the liability continues as prescribed.
There is an Appeals Tribunal based at RAF Boddington that deals with ex SP or members of the RAuxAF who are called up - and refuse to do so. . A Mobilisation Order is a legal order issued under RFA96 and the Tribunal Is a properly constituted body authorized to adjudicate. irrespective of the muddling associated with tracking down ex SP, calling up the reserves does require SofS approval and is not done lightly.
I side with LJ on this one - its part of the deal when we enlist and the liability continues as prescribed.
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We all knew what we were getting ourselves into at the time. I accept that most did not expect this exact situation to occur, however, there is no precedent of HMG calling up every Tom, Dick and Harry each week asking them to come in to work for a few hours. The reserve list is just a list unless something terribly untoward occurs. Accept it and move on.
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you are entitled to free landing fees at MOD Airfields according to JSP360. Furthermore, from what I can see you would also be entitled to go adventurous training at public expense.
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its part of the deal when we enlist and the liability continues as prescribed.
Prick.
pies, thats the answer.
i'm afraid i've been less than diligent in informing the Army of my post-leaving whereabouts, and were i to get a nasty letter from them, i'd resort to the age old trick of implementing Operation FAT BOY to ensure that i was unfit for service.
if you want something, pay for it. if not, fcuk off.
i also, to my never-begining shame, completely ignored the hugely inconvenient letter about Jury Service as well.
nothing happpened about that either...
i'm afraid i've been less than diligent in informing the Army of my post-leaving whereabouts, and were i to get a nasty letter from them, i'd resort to the age old trick of implementing Operation FAT BOY to ensure that i was unfit for service.
if you want something, pay for it. if not, fcuk off.
i also, to my never-begining shame, completely ignored the hugely inconvenient letter about Jury Service as well.
nothing happpened about that either...
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I did 13 yrs in the Army (1984 left to SOLF), then found out 6 months later I was still on the reserve until 55. Strange was promised by a S/Sgt in local records that I would get a pension at 55yrs old if I signed on for more than 9yrs. Found this later when reaching 55 and not getting a penny that this was standard practice to try to get guys to sign on for longer. Think nowadays they would be stuffed and have to pay out. Just typical get what they want at the time and then after you have given your best, or unfortunately recently from Iraq/Afghanistan your life/limbs and sanity be treated like a second class citizen and shoved on the scrap heap.
Do any other nations treat their Vets like us? Know the Germans get really good benefits, maybe something (not that I am pro EU) to bring up in court.
Do any other nations treat their Vets like us? Know the Germans get really good benefits, maybe something (not that I am pro EU) to bring up in court.
A General Mobilisation calling retired SP up (with a liability) would only happen when there were Jackboots stomping down Whitehall. Personnel mobilised in 2003 had only recently left the services, and were largely current in their trades (MT driver, MT Mech, etc) or in paricular niche areas.
Most of us are unlikely to ever be called up unless we are TA or RAuxAF or RAFR.
Given the degree of dripping about how great life was in the RAF by so many posters (and WW I know you are leaving on redundancy - my commiserations) I would ahve thought most would be digging out their Hairy marys and KDs to run back to the colours...
Most of us are unlikely to ever be called up unless we are TA or RAuxAF or RAFR.
Given the degree of dripping about how great life was in the RAF by so many posters (and WW I know you are leaving on redundancy - my commiserations) I would ahve thought most would be digging out their Hairy marys and KDs to run back to the colours...
Hmmm...Can't remember the last employer who asked how long I'd got left on reserve service. I doubt it ever crosses the minds of any HR managers too.
The simple quiet protest of non-acknowledgement would suffice in most cases and in most cases many people will have moved homes once in the 18 years after leaving.
However, if this does come into being: Could we all get 'Gats' to keep at home like we did at Laarbruch and like the Swiss do? I'd oil & polish mine once a month whether it needed it or not. (and can I have an SLR please?)
The simple quiet protest of non-acknowledgement would suffice in most cases and in most cases many people will have moved homes once in the 18 years after leaving.
However, if this does come into being: Could we all get 'Gats' to keep at home like we did at Laarbruch and like the Swiss do? I'd oil & polish mine once a month whether it needed it or not. (and can I have an SLR please?)
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I don't think it is a question of "if this comes into being". It IS in being, and people have been mobilised (in many cases willingly/patriotically but in some cases reluctantly) under this provision.
Willard
Sadly, there would be someone willing to do exactly that to you during your 3 month stay in HMP if you choose to reject any future call.
Beagle
Yes, I agree KISS is the way forward and I also know that is what they are going to do very soon - it's all in the recent Future Reserves stuff. Unfortunately, Bliar told us we were under the spectre if WMDs and so it was "National Importance" - when is the Iraq Inquiry reporting?
WhenUrHappy
Yup, very unlikely to be called upon - normally for GW or a Falklands job a maxmimum of a couple of hundred pers out of a Regular Reserve of the RAF of about 10-15,000 pers. Now even I can live a normal life with those odds!
LJ
shove it up their funnel shaped faggot arses
Beagle
Yes, I agree KISS is the way forward and I also know that is what they are going to do very soon - it's all in the recent Future Reserves stuff. Unfortunately, Bliar told us we were under the spectre if WMDs and so it was "National Importance" - when is the Iraq Inquiry reporting?
WhenUrHappy
Yup, very unlikely to be called upon - normally for GW or a Falklands job a maxmimum of a couple of hundred pers out of a Regular Reserve of the RAF of about 10-15,000 pers. Now even I can live a normal life with those odds!
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When I came out at first option of nine years served, admittedly many years ago, my first civvy job was in Indonesia so I wrote and advised my records office, (as was the requirement then), who replied saying that my three years reserve commitment had been waived. Any chance this could happen today?
Leon, with a 'dire' national emergency at hand, and prisons full to bursting point, do you really believe that anyone is going to go around searching for WW - or me - and then be arsed to do a prosecution and then bother with a prison sentance?
no, me neither.
its all balls, and its all to easy to get out of - being a fat concientous objector would be a good start - and they'll just piss off and move down the list till they find someone willing to do the job...
no, me neither.
its all balls, and its all to easy to get out of - being a fat concientous objector would be a good start - and they'll just piss off and move down the list till they find someone willing to do the job...
I for one am very glad that the RAFVR and other reservists turned up in 1939 ....... my father among them.
For many years I had a strange obligation as RAFVR myself, consisting of a dormant commission only to be activated in grave emergency.
I do hope there are enough reservists unwilling to dodge the column "next time".
Drakes Drum, where are you?
[I can quite understand the unwillingness of those sacked to be counted in, but time was when a gentleman would honour his voluntarily entered obligations. Different if the government moves the goal posts, that is breech of contract].
For many years I had a strange obligation as RAFVR myself, consisting of a dormant commission only to be activated in grave emergency.
I do hope there are enough reservists unwilling to dodge the column "next time".
Drakes Drum, where are you?
[I can quite understand the unwillingness of those sacked to be counted in, but time was when a gentleman would honour his voluntarily entered obligations. Different if the government moves the goal posts, that is breech of contract].