LOA Cut Again
WURH, Canadian Break, Biggus,
All correct and thank you for three excellent posts. I don't think you're ever going to convince the desenters to climb down from their high equines, but you have, at least, been able to state the case correctly for the benefit of everyone else. Well argued posts instead of poorly-informed rhetoric.
Courtney
All correct and thank you for three excellent posts. I don't think you're ever going to convince the desenters to climb down from their high equines, but you have, at least, been able to state the case correctly for the benefit of everyone else. Well argued posts instead of poorly-informed rhetoric.
Courtney
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In charge of what? And what is your point? I'm unsure why thanking anyone for their informed and considered input would lead to to conclude that anyone had put (thank you, CB) me in "charge" of anything. Perhaps you would care to explain? Maybe then, I can answer you concern and ease your anxiety.
In charge of what? And what is your point? I'm unsure why thanking anyone for their informed and considered input would lead to to conclude that anyone had put (thank you, CB) me in "charge" of anything. Perhaps you would care to explain? Maybe then, I can answer you concern and ease your anxiety.
I like a challenge, CB!
Anyway, I'm sure he meant nothing by it. Probably just misunderstood something I said. I'm certain IM wouldn't want to behave like his predecessors. I am happy to explain.
Back to the thread.
I do believe that no serviceman or woman should be out of pocket for performing their duty. No matter what or where that duty may be. It will always be the case that some duties are better than others, but that isn't a basis for calculating pay or allownces. And that certainly isn't what LOA was introduced to do. That said, there has always been an element of sour grapes so it doesn't surprise me that some of the posts here are slightly on the bitter side.
Anyway, I'm sure he meant nothing by it. Probably just misunderstood something I said. I'm certain IM wouldn't want to behave like his predecessors. I am happy to explain.Back to the thread.
I do believe that no serviceman or woman should be out of pocket for performing their duty. No matter what or where that duty may be. It will always be the case that some duties are better than others, but that isn't a basis for calculating pay or allownces. And that certainly isn't what LOA was introduced to do. That said, there has always been an element of sour grapes so it doesn't surprise me that some of the posts here are slightly on the bitter side.
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Since we are on topic, it's £90 a month reduction again, across the board as all are paid just about the same now.
Just to stir it up again.....
To reiterate my original post which was advice to serving personnel if anyone needs to check, not a whine, I am advising you not to accept an overseas tour. The price is too high whatever your circumstances. My WO went down from approx £45 to what we are all on now.
He is clearly well paid, but this is a lot of money proportionally to what he expected. My JRs? Getting on with it, as we all are, but it's a welfare concern. My losses are made, I hope others now turn these posts down to hopefully make the point and even improve the situation for those in the future. Doubt it though.
Just to stir it up again.....
To reiterate my original post which was advice to serving personnel if anyone needs to check, not a whine, I am advising you not to accept an overseas tour. The price is too high whatever your circumstances. My WO went down from approx £45 to what we are all on now.
He is clearly well paid, but this is a lot of money proportionally to what he expected. My JRs? Getting on with it, as we all are, but it's a welfare concern. My losses are made, I hope others now turn these posts down to hopefully make the point and even improve the situation for those in the future. Doubt it though.
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Since we are on topic, it's £90 a month reduction again, across the board as all are paid just about the same now.
Just to stir it up again.....
To reiterate my original post which was advice to serving personnel if anyone needs to check, not a whine, I am advising you not to accept an overseas tour. The price is too high whatever your circumstances. My WO went down from approx £45 to what we are all on now.
He is clearly well paid, but this is a lot of money proportionally to what he expected. My JRs? Getting on with it, as we all are, but it's a welfare concern. My losses are made, I hope others now turn these posts down to hopefully make the point and even improve the situation for those in the future. Doubt it though.
Just to stir it up again.....
To reiterate my original post which was advice to serving personnel if anyone needs to check, not a whine, I am advising you not to accept an overseas tour. The price is too high whatever your circumstances. My WO went down from approx £45 to what we are all on now.
He is clearly well paid, but this is a lot of money proportionally to what he expected. My JRs? Getting on with it, as we all are, but it's a welfare concern. My losses are made, I hope others now turn these posts down to hopefully make the point and even improve the situation for those in the future. Doubt it though.
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It's all pretty traumatic........
I've had far fewer lap dances than usual of late. And these are all by a tramp called Billy-Bob who lives behind the local bar. He's pretty good though, to be fair. He's got the moves.
No more Bollinger in the screen wash for the car, which is a bit common. Doesn't smell the same.
The dog is on rump steaks now, which is approaching cruelty as the bone on the T-Bone was his big treat when the walker returned him. Said walker now only comes twice a day and has taken a pay cut.
5 of the Mexicans have been laid off, but I no longer wake with a small square chocolate stuck to my face. Small mercies there I guess.
The weekly head-dress re-braiding has gone for a burton. But fear not, the manicure and pedicure were retained.
The biggest embarrassment was the relocation of my weekly 500 head cocktail party to a lower standard of 5-star hotel. The humiliation is awful, we have trouble holding our heads high.
As you can see the impact has been little short of horrendous.
.....Ahem is that what you wanted?
I've had far fewer lap dances than usual of late. And these are all by a tramp called Billy-Bob who lives behind the local bar. He's pretty good though, to be fair. He's got the moves.
No more Bollinger in the screen wash for the car, which is a bit common. Doesn't smell the same.
The dog is on rump steaks now, which is approaching cruelty as the bone on the T-Bone was his big treat when the walker returned him. Said walker now only comes twice a day and has taken a pay cut.
5 of the Mexicans have been laid off, but I no longer wake with a small square chocolate stuck to my face. Small mercies there I guess.
The weekly head-dress re-braiding has gone for a burton. But fear not, the manicure and pedicure were retained.
The biggest embarrassment was the relocation of my weekly 500 head cocktail party to a lower standard of 5-star hotel. The humiliation is awful, we have trouble holding our heads high.
As you can see the impact has been little short of horrendous.
.....Ahem is that what you wanted?
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On a serious note, it doesn't pay for loyalty any more. The PVRs of good men have started. No joke. Straw that broke the camel's back from what I've been told.
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Probably have a bit. Company man from the age of 16 and a half, man and boy, with a long and tortuous route through the ranks etc etc. pull up a sandbag....!
And I'm not happy any more. I have personal trouble with re-motivating troops when I fully agree with their grievances.
And believe me, the extra money on the monthly bills is not close to being covered.
And I'm not happy any more. I have personal trouble with re-motivating troops when I fully agree with their grievances.
And believe me, the extra money on the monthly bills is not close to being covered.
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Probably have a bit. Company man from the age of 16 and a half, man and boy, with a long and tortuous route through the ranks etc etc. pull up a sandbag....!
And I'm not happy any more. I have personal trouble with re-motivating troops when I fully agree with their grievances.
And believe me, the extra money on the monthly bills is not close to being covered.
And I'm not happy any more. I have personal trouble with re-motivating troops when I fully agree with their grievances.
And believe me, the extra money on the monthly bills is not close to being covered.
I am also not happy anymore, with July looming I have personal trouble motivating myself let alone worrying about colleagues, but fortuitously they are all big enough and daft enough to understand what is going on.
But putting all that aside can you just tell all of us in here exactly what it is your £540 a month no longer covers
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Very similar background, not that it really matters. I just took one extra throw of the die than you.
I can tell you what I am spending on a 3 year tour, the decision to go made on projected as LOA (yes, accepting monthly fluctuations, but not a 50-70% cut) and what I am spending, if you like. This will give an idea of personal circumstances encountered against expectation of remuneration.
But I really can't be bothered if you are going to just to say LOA is not meant for this, that and the other. It's personally insulting and unnecessary. Shall I, or are you just after another never ending argument?
I can tell you what I am spending on a 3 year tour, the decision to go made on projected as LOA (yes, accepting monthly fluctuations, but not a 50-70% cut) and what I am spending, if you like. This will give an idea of personal circumstances encountered against expectation of remuneration.
But I really can't be bothered if you are going to just to say LOA is not meant for this, that and the other. It's personally insulting and unnecessary. Shall I, or are you just after another never ending argument?
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Very similar background, not that it really matters. I just took one extra throw of the die than you.
I can tell you what I am spending on a 3 year tour, the decision to go made on projected as LOA (yes, accepting monthly fluctuations, but not a 50-70% cut) and what I am spending, if you like. This will give an idea of personal circumstances encountered against expectation of remuneration.
But I really can't be bothered if you are going to just to say LOA is not meant for this, that and the other. It's personally insulting and unnecessary. Shall I, or are you just after another never ending argument?
I can tell you what I am spending on a 3 year tour, the decision to go made on projected as LOA (yes, accepting monthly fluctuations, but not a 50-70% cut) and what I am spending, if you like. This will give an idea of personal circumstances encountered against expectation of remuneration.
But I really can't be bothered if you are going to just to say LOA is not meant for this, that and the other. It's personally insulting and unnecessary. Shall I, or are you just after another never ending argument?
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I have just finished reading this thread and have been very surprised by the language and attitude of a minority of people who think they are being clever to belittle, or be rude to those that are simply trying to be helpful! Is it really that clever? Do people think it helpful to belittle anyone that is just trying to offer what they consider to be constructive advice?
I do not include Seldom Fit For Purpose in the above comments as he is who he is and when he speaks you know what comes out of the packet.
My criticism is aimed at those that think it helpful when they attempt to drive away or at the very least,stop members from submitting posts. All scuttled is trying to do is be helpful!! We can agree and equally we can disagree with his observations.
By all means disagree with anyone or everyone but why be insulting? If you cannot say something nice about the person (not the topic) then how about we do not say anything?
Some of these appointments are personnel competent enough, professional enough and considered suitable enough to instruct members of the host nation, surely that speaks volumes about the calibre of those that take up these postings\appointments. They are expected to be ambassadors, warrior, diplomat and most important a decent, all round nice person. We are showing the host nation the standards of our expertise and to this end are we suggesting they should not be able to live in the exact same style\quality of living as when they are in the UK?
If they are posted to a country that has a different climate to what we experience here in the UK then yes they are issued with suitable uniform but that is it, they get issued suitable clothing to wear when working but what about the clothing when off duty, the clothing for the rest of the family?? Are all those people that enjoy calling folks ‘sad or pathetic’ suggesting that the price of clothing in the host country has dropped by 50%? Clothing is just one very small example of where this expenditure might well be used but please try to understand where I am coming from with that one observation.
Scuttled, There is a reason why you were selected for this appointment and I doubt very much that it is because you are a ‘sad or pathetic’ individual!
Hopefully the LOA issue will get resolved and this is just one step up that slippery ladder as you further your career.
I can see that you are not letting those obnoxious people get under your skin and respect for doing just that. To those that criticise this man I say..
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John
I do not include Seldom Fit For Purpose in the above comments as he is who he is and when he speaks you know what comes out of the packet.
My criticism is aimed at those that think it helpful when they attempt to drive away or at the very least,stop members from submitting posts. All scuttled is trying to do is be helpful!! We can agree and equally we can disagree with his observations.
By all means disagree with anyone or everyone but why be insulting? If you cannot say something nice about the person (not the topic) then how about we do not say anything?
Some of these appointments are personnel competent enough, professional enough and considered suitable enough to instruct members of the host nation, surely that speaks volumes about the calibre of those that take up these postings\appointments. They are expected to be ambassadors, warrior, diplomat and most important a decent, all round nice person. We are showing the host nation the standards of our expertise and to this end are we suggesting they should not be able to live in the exact same style\quality of living as when they are in the UK?
If they are posted to a country that has a different climate to what we experience here in the UK then yes they are issued with suitable uniform but that is it, they get issued suitable clothing to wear when working but what about the clothing when off duty, the clothing for the rest of the family?? Are all those people that enjoy calling folks ‘sad or pathetic’ suggesting that the price of clothing in the host country has dropped by 50%? Clothing is just one very small example of where this expenditure might well be used but please try to understand where I am coming from with that one observation.
Scuttled, There is a reason why you were selected for this appointment and I doubt very much that it is because you are a ‘sad or pathetic’ individual!
Hopefully the LOA issue will get resolved and this is just one step up that slippery ladder as you further your career.
I can see that you are not letting those obnoxious people get under your skin and respect for doing just that. To those that criticise this man I say..
Regards,
John
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I suspect the remark that has irked you was nowt but a bit of ironic humour, afterall this is a military forum so it's hardly likely the few military folk left in here would elect a "civvy bedwetter" to lead it
I suspect the remark that has irked you was nowt but a bit of ironic humour, afterall this is a military forum so it's hardly likely the few military folk left in here would elect a "civvy bedwetter" to lead it