Libya - A Great Investment
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Some people just can't help doing things like that - it's in their nature.
It's not just Libyan morons doing it though - a war memorial in Margate was also vandalised/desecrated last week, possibly by British morons.
I hope they all feel proud of themselves.
It's not just Libyan morons doing it though - a war memorial in Margate was also vandalised/desecrated last week, possibly by British morons.
I hope they all feel proud of themselves.
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Like already mentioned doing this destruction while shouting "God is great"
Well when you meet your maker (soon I hope)I hope he reminds you. NO God would approve of destruction of respectful markers of the dead.
Scum is scum no mater what religion/nationality they are !
Well when you meet your maker (soon I hope)I hope he reminds you. NO God would approve of destruction of respectful markers of the dead.
Scum is scum no mater what religion/nationality they are !
I too felt sick, really sick.
So I sat down, calmed down a bit, and called down a spectacular, detailed, curse on the perpetrators, involving specific terminal diseases of tender parts of their anatomies.
I suggest that others try the same: after all, their God is Great, he should hack such a simple matter.
But not quickly, please.
So I sat down, calmed down a bit, and called down a spectacular, detailed, curse on the perpetrators, involving specific terminal diseases of tender parts of their anatomies.
I suggest that others try the same: after all, their God is Great, he should hack such a simple matter.
But not quickly, please.
As this thread isn't really discussing our investment in Libya, but rather a (hopefully) small faction of morons that desrve to die (I hope that's not too strong, but more to come), I thought you might all be interested in some news from inside the country that may give a feel for what our real investment is/was.
First, my comment. I take some comfort from the thought that these disgusting vandals are expecting, one day, to meet Alah. What a shock they're going to get when they find out they were wrong after all.
Here's the news:
By George Grant
5:21PM GMT 05 Mar 2012
The desecration of two military cemeteries in Benghazi over the weekend is just the latest piece of bad news to come out of Libya. On February 21, it was reported that two British journalists had been detained by a militia in Tripoli, initially accused of entering the country illegally and now accused of being spies. Their captors have pledged to hand them over to the authorities once their own "investigations" have been completed, but the fate of the reporters still remains uncertain.
Worse, for several months now we have been reading reports of torture and abuse taking place in detention centres beyond the control of Libya’s transitional government, in which more than 8,000 people continue to be held. This situation is particularly acute in and around the city of Misurata, where an ongoing dispute with the people of nearby Tawergha, who fought for Gaddafi during the revolution, accounts for a disproportionate amount of the extrajudicial internment and abuse.
The portrait of Libya being generated is of a country spinning slowly, but surely, out of control. Whilst welcoming the National Transitional Council (NTC)’s condemnation of the graveyard desecrations and its pledge to undertake a full investigation, one is left asking simultaneously whether this well-meaning body is really in a position to do anything about it.
As it happens, knowing that fellow Libyans intervened to stop these men from causing further damage, and recognising just how strongly people in Libya will feel about this incident (the chief mufti has already appeared on television condemning the attacks and declaring them in contravention of Islam) it is not inconceivable that the perpetrators will be caught and brought to justice.
Indeed, what makes this particular incident so abhorrent is not just the utter disrespect it shows to the sanctity of the cemeteries and the memories of those buried there, but also the fact that it helps to reinforce what is already a profoundly misleading picture of Libya today.
Having spent a fortnight in the country last month, I can say with some certainty that Libya is not collapsing. On the contrary, for a country less than six months on from the end of a war that ended one of the most regressive and eccentric dictatorships in recent memory, Libya is doing very well indeed.
Across the country as a whole, Libya’s militias are much less of a problem than commonly believed. Their objective is not to carve out fiefdoms for themselves, still less to topple the new government. Rather, as the UN’s envoy in Libya Ian Martin recently asserted, they represent a much less than perfect alternative to the still underdeveloped army and police, and a programme to integrate militia into these regular forces is now under way.
A classic example of misreporting on this issue came from the Guardian in an article on February 21, which warned of Libya's “disintegration” at the hands of more than 500 militias, using elections in Misurata as a specific example. The paper warned that the elections in Libya’s third city, unsanctioned by the NTC, were “a final step to what is independence in all but name”.
This was ironic, since two days later a couple of NTC members I was speaking to in Tripoli were hailing the Misurata elections as an unparalleled success. These were local elections, hence not considered to be within the remit of the NTC. Moreover, they had passed off without a shot fired and, of course, no declaration of independence from Misurata, formal or otherwise. The peaceful nature of this election, the NTC men insisted, augured well for countrywide elections of a National Assembly due in June.
Beyond Misurata, the vast majority of militia are now off the streets in urban centres including Tripoli and Benghazi, and checkpoints are few and far between.
Why then, is none of this being widely reported? First, there is of course the argument that it’s no news if it’s not bad news. Stories about how shops and restaurants across the country are once again open for business and queues at petrol stations are normal do not make for very interesting copy.
A second reason, however, could just as well be the law of unintended consequences. The last time the international press descended on Libya in force was for the first anniversary celebrations of the revolution on February 17. This coincided almost perfectly with the return of an equally large number of militia to the nation’s city centres, since they too wanted to be part of the momentous occasion.
Unfortunately, there appears to have been an almost total disconnect between the media’s reportage of the militia presence and their reappearance for the first anniversary celebrations. Within three days of the festivities taking place, the centre of Tripoli was once again almost emptied of armed militia and checkpoints. When not actually trying to carve out a quasi-autonomous fiefdom, there’s only so long a young man is willing to pose on the back of a pick-up truck with his Kalashnikov without getting paid. By this time, however, international interest in Libya had largely subsided too.
It is important to recognise just how widespread the desire of Libya’s people to see their revolution succeed actually is. Not only that, but this desire is accompanied by a strong sense of collective ownership that is compelling Libyans to take responsibility for the success or otherwise of their country’s transition to democratic rule. This country has just fought a war for its freedom and there is virtually no desire to start another one, amongst militia or anybody else.
Of course, it takes more than collective will to make a revolution succeed, but this is a country with great potential. In addition to its vast economic resources, Libya benefits from a comparatively literate workforce and a much more religiously moderate population than commonly believed. Nobody should be writing this country off as another failed state in-waiting just yet.
George Grant is a Research Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society.
Libya is not a failed state in-waiting - Telegraph
First, my comment. I take some comfort from the thought that these disgusting vandals are expecting, one day, to meet Alah. What a shock they're going to get when they find out they were wrong after all.
Here's the news:
By George Grant
5:21PM GMT 05 Mar 2012
The desecration of two military cemeteries in Benghazi over the weekend is just the latest piece of bad news to come out of Libya. On February 21, it was reported that two British journalists had been detained by a militia in Tripoli, initially accused of entering the country illegally and now accused of being spies. Their captors have pledged to hand them over to the authorities once their own "investigations" have been completed, but the fate of the reporters still remains uncertain.
Worse, for several months now we have been reading reports of torture and abuse taking place in detention centres beyond the control of Libya’s transitional government, in which more than 8,000 people continue to be held. This situation is particularly acute in and around the city of Misurata, where an ongoing dispute with the people of nearby Tawergha, who fought for Gaddafi during the revolution, accounts for a disproportionate amount of the extrajudicial internment and abuse.
The portrait of Libya being generated is of a country spinning slowly, but surely, out of control. Whilst welcoming the National Transitional Council (NTC)’s condemnation of the graveyard desecrations and its pledge to undertake a full investigation, one is left asking simultaneously whether this well-meaning body is really in a position to do anything about it.
As it happens, knowing that fellow Libyans intervened to stop these men from causing further damage, and recognising just how strongly people in Libya will feel about this incident (the chief mufti has already appeared on television condemning the attacks and declaring them in contravention of Islam) it is not inconceivable that the perpetrators will be caught and brought to justice.
Indeed, what makes this particular incident so abhorrent is not just the utter disrespect it shows to the sanctity of the cemeteries and the memories of those buried there, but also the fact that it helps to reinforce what is already a profoundly misleading picture of Libya today.
Having spent a fortnight in the country last month, I can say with some certainty that Libya is not collapsing. On the contrary, for a country less than six months on from the end of a war that ended one of the most regressive and eccentric dictatorships in recent memory, Libya is doing very well indeed.
Across the country as a whole, Libya’s militias are much less of a problem than commonly believed. Their objective is not to carve out fiefdoms for themselves, still less to topple the new government. Rather, as the UN’s envoy in Libya Ian Martin recently asserted, they represent a much less than perfect alternative to the still underdeveloped army and police, and a programme to integrate militia into these regular forces is now under way.
A classic example of misreporting on this issue came from the Guardian in an article on February 21, which warned of Libya's “disintegration” at the hands of more than 500 militias, using elections in Misurata as a specific example. The paper warned that the elections in Libya’s third city, unsanctioned by the NTC, were “a final step to what is independence in all but name”.
This was ironic, since two days later a couple of NTC members I was speaking to in Tripoli were hailing the Misurata elections as an unparalleled success. These were local elections, hence not considered to be within the remit of the NTC. Moreover, they had passed off without a shot fired and, of course, no declaration of independence from Misurata, formal or otherwise. The peaceful nature of this election, the NTC men insisted, augured well for countrywide elections of a National Assembly due in June.
Beyond Misurata, the vast majority of militia are now off the streets in urban centres including Tripoli and Benghazi, and checkpoints are few and far between.
Why then, is none of this being widely reported? First, there is of course the argument that it’s no news if it’s not bad news. Stories about how shops and restaurants across the country are once again open for business and queues at petrol stations are normal do not make for very interesting copy.
A second reason, however, could just as well be the law of unintended consequences. The last time the international press descended on Libya in force was for the first anniversary celebrations of the revolution on February 17. This coincided almost perfectly with the return of an equally large number of militia to the nation’s city centres, since they too wanted to be part of the momentous occasion.
Unfortunately, there appears to have been an almost total disconnect between the media’s reportage of the militia presence and their reappearance for the first anniversary celebrations. Within three days of the festivities taking place, the centre of Tripoli was once again almost emptied of armed militia and checkpoints. When not actually trying to carve out a quasi-autonomous fiefdom, there’s only so long a young man is willing to pose on the back of a pick-up truck with his Kalashnikov without getting paid. By this time, however, international interest in Libya had largely subsided too.
It is important to recognise just how widespread the desire of Libya’s people to see their revolution succeed actually is. Not only that, but this desire is accompanied by a strong sense of collective ownership that is compelling Libyans to take responsibility for the success or otherwise of their country’s transition to democratic rule. This country has just fought a war for its freedom and there is virtually no desire to start another one, amongst militia or anybody else.
Of course, it takes more than collective will to make a revolution succeed, but this is a country with great potential. In addition to its vast economic resources, Libya benefits from a comparatively literate workforce and a much more religiously moderate population than commonly believed. Nobody should be writing this country off as another failed state in-waiting just yet.
George Grant is a Research Fellow at the Henry Jackson Society.
Libya is not a failed state in-waiting - Telegraph
First, my comment. I take some comfort from the thought that these disgusting vandals are expecting, one day, to meet Alah. What a shock they're going to get when they find out they were wrong after all.
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Perhaps I could suggest this treatment for the perpetrators with the chap at the front fed bacon butties.
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Sorry Courtney, copied 1st part of the post so clear what was responding. Somehow I feel they will not meet Allah.
Issue with failed state was with the DTs comment, they were cheerleaders for what I believe was an illegal action, funded by Qatar and Saudi's all the while they hide behind claims of doing it for people's good.
Funny how the rights of half their population do not exist while they claim rights for others.
Issue with failed state was with the DTs comment, they were cheerleaders for what I believe was an illegal action, funded by Qatar and Saudi's all the while they hide behind claims of doing it for people's good.
Funny how the rights of half their population do not exist while they claim rights for others.
Indeed, Racedo. If they think that sort of thing is what the Qur'an says to do, they will be very disappointed. Supposed to be a peaceful religion - like all the others.
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However, it seems people indoctrinated by religion; kill people! 
