Diamond Jubilee Vulcan Flying
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Yes, some posts are scattered in all different threads. This is a good game, post go to completely random threads and we have to try to make sense of them!
Yes, some posts are scattered in all different threads. This is a good game, post go to completely random threads and we have to try to make sense of them!
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70k plus wages for Fleming
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Wages exhibition and display £74,954
Most of the staffing that follow it around show and do the exhibition are volunteers I believe. Maintenance is budgeted separately.
See
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk...091031_E_C.PDF
70k plus wages for Fleming
Page 22
Wages exhibition and display £74,954
Most of the staffing that follow it around show and do the exhibition are volunteers I believe. Maintenance is budgeted separately.
See
http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk...091031_E_C.PDF
XH 558 should have been "taken on the books" of the BBMF at the outset (yes I know, but how many Dakotas flew in the Battle of Britain?) If the government can afford to forego £20.5m in tax in order to keep a Manet in the country, it can afford a similar sum to keep the only surviving airworthy V bomber in the air.
BBC News - Ashmolean Museum heads campaign to save Manet painting
BBC News - Ashmolean Museum heads campaign to save Manet painting
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I remember seeing some of the Vulcan’s first flight; I went to school in Bramhall in those days and observed the aircraft fly around nearby a few times with one of the Avro 707’s and a Vampire from the then R. Aux. AF station at Ringway formed up close beneath (I later learnt that some bits were seen dropping away from the aircraft as it departed Woodford and I believe they were trying to assess the situation); as in those days I was totally consumed by all things aviation I was eagerly expecting the event and was chuffed to death to catch a brief sight of the occasion. Not so many years later I joined the Air Force as a Boy Entrant and after training my first posting was Scampton, where 617 had the last of the Mk 1’s and a few Mk1a’s while awaiting delivery of the Mk 2’s. I certainly have fond memories of the Vulcan and understand the wish of many to see the aircraft actually fly, though living where I do the prospect of seeing that happen myself is a big zero. I have in the past donated a modest contribution and have followed the project from afar; I am however starting to share some of the sentiments expressed that question some of the fund raising method and also some of the expenditure. In many ways it would be a shame to bring 558’s flying days to an end but it’s got to come someday anyhow so, perhaps after this season the time is right. I like the Nimrod idea that is being worked on (the one with recent links to this topic) and I’m pretty sure something imaginative could be established for 558.
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XH 558 should have been "taken on the books" of the BBMF at the outset (yes I know, but how many Dakotas flew in the Battle of Britain?) If the government can afford to forego £20.5m in tax in order to keep a Manet in the country, it can afford a similar sum to keep the only surviving airworthy V bomber in the air.
Whilst I do have concerns about the level of pay that some of the higher ranks of the VTST. I am proud to say that I often donate to the fund, I never knowingly saw a Vulcan in flight and never knowingly heard the terrific sound it makes on full(ish) throttle. So seeing 558 in the air to me is just an amazing experience. Its also Its role as an icon of the V-Force days....that I beleive need to be remembered and communicated to both young and old alike!!!
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Sorry to be a kill joy but if the Vulcan is taken back onto 'the books' then where do we stop? There is a thread discussing HMS Plymouth and to me she achieved far more than the Vulcan and NO I am NOT criticising those that want to preserve it. (We were lucky enough to see this aircraft from my house when it came down to Dawlish Airshow)
I am a HUGE fan of the Battle of Britain flight but how sad we could not afford to save any of the Second World War small ships that stopped the Nazi war machine from starving our little nation into submission? How long could those beautiful aircraft have kept flying without fuel? Not a single corvette or frigate has been saved to let our children, our grand children or even their children see the atrocious conditions those sailors had to endure, day in, day out week in week out.
I am all in favour of the MoD supplying the land\hanger space or berth IF......If it is available but that should be all they provide, I am certain there will be more than enough volunteers to maintain those things we wish to preserve and if money is needed then should we look to the lottery funds or charitable organisations to preserve these machines that would otherwise be sentenced to the scrap heap?
I am a HUGE fan of the Battle of Britain flight but how sad we could not afford to save any of the Second World War small ships that stopped the Nazi war machine from starving our little nation into submission? How long could those beautiful aircraft have kept flying without fuel? Not a single corvette or frigate has been saved to let our children, our grand children or even their children see the atrocious conditions those sailors had to endure, day in, day out week in week out.
I am all in favour of the MoD supplying the land\hanger space or berth IF......If it is available but that should be all they provide, I am certain there will be more than enough volunteers to maintain those things we wish to preserve and if money is needed then should we look to the lottery funds or charitable organisations to preserve these machines that would otherwise be sentenced to the scrap heap?
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Good point, Glojo. I have to ask, though, where should we spend some of the country's money and charity funds? On SOME (not all, obviously) pieces of hardward that have a status all of their own and that (as you imply) served our nation so well, or a bunch of sponging hoodies on benefits that have done nothing for the nation apart from believe that it owes them a living? Oh, and then theirs foreign aid. How much of that is given to one country country who then passes it on to our enemies under the same guise?
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Hi Courtney,
I am so proud of my country, my forefathers, and the way we defend our freedom. I get so angry when I have to 'sit' back and listen to left wing, tree hugging vegan eating pacifist liberal idiots..... rant mode, rant mode.......
We spend millions on so called art, we pay people to display beds covered in sheets that have been soiled with urine...... but how dare anyone suggest we erect any type of memorial to commemorate our military achievements.
Instead of spending millions on ballet, or so called modern art let us develop a National Park where we can put on display military vehicles\ships\aircraft and anything else that has served Queen and country. Think back to the Yangtse Incident, the Amethyst was what the Royal Navy is all about but where is the Amethyst? What type of aircraft flew over the jungles of Borneo or the desert of Aden? I am NOT suggesting we have fleets of aircraft, ships etc but somewhere like Portland has a nice smallish dockyard that could berth a number of decommissioned ships, that by their deeds or acts of daring do have become famous, then there is the airbase that is closing down that could host similar type aircraft along with maybe the army equipment. Who can can the footage of the Wessex disappearing into that thick black acrid smoke when the Sir Galahad was ablaze? That type of aircraft has been around the block several times and MUST have so many stories but is it just going to disappear?
Amethyst has long since gone and sadly Plymouth is now heading in the same direction but she deserves better. I could nominate so many planes, boats and why not trains for good measure but tanks, the old Bedford trucks, chieftain tanks on those huge transporters, an Army scout helicopter, the old Pink Panther Landrover that saw service in the Middle East there is no end of equipment that could go on display.
Lets put some of this wasted money into that which has struggled to keep the 'Great' in Britain
Have you noticed how none of our politicians from ANY party will call our country by its proper name? President Obama calls our country Great Britain whereas Blair, Brown or Cameron simply call it Britain!! The chances of us preserving our military heritage is comparable to my chance of stepping foot on the Moon!
End of rant mode and I will lay back and accept my punishment for too much wittering
I am so proud of my country, my forefathers, and the way we defend our freedom. I get so angry when I have to 'sit' back and listen to left wing, tree hugging vegan eating pacifist liberal idiots..... rant mode, rant mode.......
We spend millions on so called art, we pay people to display beds covered in sheets that have been soiled with urine...... but how dare anyone suggest we erect any type of memorial to commemorate our military achievements.
Instead of spending millions on ballet, or so called modern art let us develop a National Park where we can put on display military vehicles\ships\aircraft and anything else that has served Queen and country. Think back to the Yangtse Incident, the Amethyst was what the Royal Navy is all about but where is the Amethyst? What type of aircraft flew over the jungles of Borneo or the desert of Aden? I am NOT suggesting we have fleets of aircraft, ships etc but somewhere like Portland has a nice smallish dockyard that could berth a number of decommissioned ships, that by their deeds or acts of daring do have become famous, then there is the airbase that is closing down that could host similar type aircraft along with maybe the army equipment. Who can can the footage of the Wessex disappearing into that thick black acrid smoke when the Sir Galahad was ablaze? That type of aircraft has been around the block several times and MUST have so many stories but is it just going to disappear?
Amethyst has long since gone and sadly Plymouth is now heading in the same direction but she deserves better. I could nominate so many planes, boats and why not trains for good measure but tanks, the old Bedford trucks, chieftain tanks on those huge transporters, an Army scout helicopter, the old Pink Panther Landrover that saw service in the Middle East there is no end of equipment that could go on display.
Lets put some of this wasted money into that which has struggled to keep the 'Great' in Britain
Have you noticed how none of our politicians from ANY party will call our country by its proper name? President Obama calls our country Great Britain whereas Blair, Brown or Cameron simply call it Britain!! The chances of us preserving our military heritage is comparable to my chance of stepping foot on the Moon!
End of rant mode and I will lay back and accept my punishment for too much wittering
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There's something special about the sight & sound of the Vulcan & I always put money in the Vulcan bucket but, to be fair to the arty types, once you've saved a painting for the nation all you need to do is bang a nail in the wall to hang it on.
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lol, well put 
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Originally Posted by Lewis
all you need to do is bang a nail in the wall to hang it on.
This is\was on display at the Tate Modern. You can tell me that is art till the thing gets back up and walks away
It is indeed a DEAD horse! A dead horse is now called art... Sorry but the lunatics are now in charge of the asylum and we have allowed it.
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Some would say that's the second dead horse they're trying to flog.
The reason for the Dak on BBMF is quite simple.
The multi-eng pilots need a multi-eng taildragger to practise on whilst the Lanc is in Winter maintenance. It also makes a good training bird for new pilots and navs on the Flight. Oh, and she's a damn fine WWII Warbird so she makes a good addition to the fleet for displays.
The Vulcan on the other hand would not. Also, what about a Meteor and Vampire like the old Historic Pair that we used to have? A 3 ship Vintage Jets trio would be great. But in the end it all costs money and we should be winding back our spending on displays to the bare minimum (I would suggest smaller RAFAT using part-time Valley instructors and BBMF continuing with part-time aircrew from the local RAF Stns (save for the full time Boss who could be FTRS to save money as well)).
Just my two-penneth...
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The multi-eng pilots need a multi-eng taildragger to practise on whilst the Lanc is in Winter maintenance. It also makes a good training bird for new pilots and navs on the Flight. Oh, and she's a damn fine WWII Warbird so she makes a good addition to the fleet for displays.
The Vulcan on the other hand would not. Also, what about a Meteor and Vampire like the old Historic Pair that we used to have? A 3 ship Vintage Jets trio would be great. But in the end it all costs money and we should be winding back our spending on displays to the bare minimum (I would suggest smaller RAFAT using part-time Valley instructors and BBMF continuing with part-time aircrew from the local RAF Stns (save for the full time Boss who could be FTRS to save money as well)).
Just my two-penneth...
LJ
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Nut Loose
I expressed similar comments on Facebook and faced a barrage of abuse saying I was unpatriotic etc.
Responded by the fact i had served during the cold war and didnt need their constant emails and status updates requesting money.
its not cost effective so just let it go...
I expressed similar comments on Facebook and faced a barrage of abuse saying I was unpatriotic etc.
Responded by the fact i had served during the cold war and didnt need their constant emails and status updates requesting money.
its not cost effective so just let it go...
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There is no doubt that the Vulcan is a fantastic sight in the sky and is always popular at air shows.
However, is the support of it distorting the market for donating to other equally worthy, but less costly, types? I can't recall the actual costs but I believe it is somewhere near £1M per annum. Such a figure would keep the Sea Vixen, for example, running for 10 years at least.
I have seen at various air shows small aviation charities almost begging for donations from the public only to be completely overshadowed (sometimes literally) by the VTTS juggernaut.
However, is the support of it distorting the market for donating to other equally worthy, but less costly, types? I can't recall the actual costs but I believe it is somewhere near £1M per annum. Such a figure would keep the Sea Vixen, for example, running for 10 years at least.
I have seen at various air shows small aviation charities almost begging for donations from the public only to be completely overshadowed (sometimes literally) by the VTTS juggernaut.
XH 558 should have been "taken on the books" of the BBMF at the outset
LJ,
can't be sure..but I think OC BBMF (a S/L) is the only full time aircrew on BBMF, the rest are from other sations and operate other aircraft types during the week (i.e. Tornado GR.4, Hercules, King Air, E3D, but not all at the same time..).
can't be sure..but I think OC BBMF (a S/L) is the only full time aircrew on BBMF, the rest are from other sations and operate other aircraft types during the week (i.e. Tornado GR.4, Hercules, King Air, E3D, but not all at the same time..).