AFPRB 2012

[ALM In Waiting]

Hig, have the major points been released in a DIN then?

[Gericault]

Certainly has -20120313 DIB 2012/14: Armed_Forces_Pay_Award_2012-U‏

Gericault

[Could be the last?]

Can someone confirm that there is another cut in LOA?

[taxydual]

I don't know yet if this is pukka

2012 British Military Pay Award Chart

but, how come an American website publishes this?

[Jumping_Jack]

Office of Manpower Economics - OME

It may have been published on a US website, but the accompanying guff is wrong. It states a cap of 1% for 2012 was imposed....out by a year, 0% this year cap in 2013.

[NavyCS]

Jumping Jack, you are absolutely correct - it appears as I have totally screwed the pooch on this one. I miss read a Telegraph article of a few months back.

navycs.com is my hobby, I shall fix this mistake - my apologies to all for any confusion I have caused.

Respects,

NCCM Tom Goering USN, Retired.

[ALM In Waiting]

The reduction of the LSA levels to 180 days is welcome, but that's about it unless you are an SAC or below.

[WPH]

Wonder why they feel they have to justify food charge increases by citing raises in the RPI, but then don't draw the same conclusion when considering basic pay!

[wokawoka]

From the tables under the above link am I misunderstanding something there?

2010: Salary is X
2011: Salary is X
2012: Salary is X

Have we been frozen 2 years already? With a third one on the way?

I am sure I am being thick and that is not the case, but that is what the table seems to say. Can anyone point out my mistake?

[m0nkfish]

If they have decided our pensions should be based on CPI then surely they should also use this index for our food/accommodation rates??

[NavyCS]

wokawoka,

2010's number is a result of a 2% raise over 2009. 2011 was frozen, but with a £250 increase for those who made £21,000 or less - 2012 is also frozen, but with another £250 increase for those who make £21,000 or less.

[Melchett01]

If we add the current 2 year pay freeze to the 2x 1% rises over the period 2013-15 and then take into account Brown's need for public sector pay restraint under Labour to prevent rampant inflation leading to sub-inflationary rises in the 2000s, has anybody worked out what the cumulative net effect on Armed Forces real terms pay has been over the past decade or so?

And frankly, Brown's arguments about the need for pay restraint to prevent inflation taking hold were complete bollox even back then. A decent pay rise in line with inflation - not even above inflation - but in line with it wouldn't even touch the sides when compared with the size of bonuses and rises being dished out in the financial and corporate sectors. Then again, even in recession when our pay has been reduced in real terms, inflation is still rampant in spite of public sector freezes. If Brown couldn't see that other external factors such as commodity prices were more likely to contribute to an inflationary picture than the pay of an average airman, he really was more deluded than I first gave him credit for.

[wokawoka]

Thanks for the expelling NavyCS, I can fly but can't count.........

[ALM In Waiting]

Having read the report, it seems there will be quite a focus on Specialist pay and how it will be applied under the NEM (New Employment Model) in the future.

Seems they are keen for it to be further linked with retention and recruitment, and are after mechanisms for increasing and reducing it in line with particular specialisations manning levels.

Also it mentions the disparity between personnel on specialist pay spines and those receiving specialist pay.

Seems they are also keen for it to be renamed to something that reflects its use as a retention mechanism.

[high spirits]

.....and the great Pension raid may just be starting.

[Just This Once...]

Did anyone post a link yet? If not it can be found here:

http://www.official-documents.gov.uk.../8299/8299.pdf

Some strong words on SP:

3.29 We continue to hear concerns about MOD’s announcement that it will completely withdraw SP from those who submit notice to terminate. This could mean, for example, that submariners may be required to serve at sea for several months during their notice period without receiving the same SP as those working alongside them. While we understand that it can be argued that if someone has said they are leaving, SP has not served its retention purpose, we have a particular concern when the situation relates to someone who has already served a full career, so demonstrating the effectiveness of SP in retaining them to date.

3.30 We strongly encourage MOD to reconsider its decisions on reserve banding and on withdrawing SP from those submitting notice to terminate, before the announced cuts come in to effect.

The MOD’s strategic approach to recruitment and retention payments, including the respective rationales for pay spines and for SP. It is not clear to us why some groups are on pay spines, which provide certainty of long term payment (which is pensionable), while others receive SP which is in principle a temporary payment (and not pensionable), although in practice the expectation of many receiving it is that it will be permanent. The career-continuous basis of some SP reinforces this and appears to us to resemble a pay spine. Clarity on the underlying rationales would enable a strategic review of their appropriateness in relation to specific cadres and the potential interaction with other return of service commitments including FRIs.

[WPH]

At least it was recognised as a concern...

"However, we heard widespread concern that the combination of the pay freeze and the significant cuts in MOD allowances such as Home to Duty, while inflation remained high, implied a noticeable reduction in real income for many personnel. Many also robustly questioned whether our decisions not to make recommendations on base pay for those subject to the pay freeze, while making recommendations on accommodation and food charges, were compatible with our role as an independent review body."

[Hueymeister]

WPH - Just what I said to them...if we're having a pay freeze, pse freeze our charges....

[GalleyTeapot]

"Para 2.26 In 2010-11 personnel had an average Individual Leave Allowance (ILA) entitlement of 52.5 days,"


An AVERAGE ILA of 52 days??

[higthepig]

An AVERAGE ILA of 52 days??

I suppose if you add PODL to your annual leave allowance you could get up to nearly 52 days, then you can't take it all, then you lose most of it when the next leave year starts.