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It seems the USN has done it again....rescued two hostages taken by Somali self proclaimed Pirates who had taken up kidnapping due to the counter piracy operations offshore. During the action....Nine Hostage takers were killed and the two Hostages were taken away safe and sound.
This is what it is all about....now for the B-52's to pass over and drop a few eviction notices!
World News - American hostage in Somalia rescued by US Navy SEALs in overnight raid
This is what it is all about....now for the B-52's to pass over and drop a few eviction notices!
World News - American hostage in Somalia rescued by US Navy SEALs in overnight raid
Absoloutely SASless, nice one
Be reminiscent of Rolling Thunder and Linbecker II
I;m guessing it were MH-60S preferably armed with Hellfire on ESSS that did the extraction, from the HSM squadrons.
Be reminiscent of Rolling Thunder and Linbecker II
I;m guessing it were MH-60S preferably armed with Hellfire on ESSS that did the extraction, from the HSM squadrons.
Absolutely flagrant illegal violation of Somalia's sovereignty!
The human rights of those murdered Somali citizens were trampled on by those crusading invaders.
I fully expect all good human rights lawyers to starting queueing up to represent the victim's families...Pr00ne, are you free for the next few years and fancy a nice little earner?
The human rights of those murdered Somali citizens were trampled on by those crusading invaders.
I fully expect all good human rights lawyers to starting queueing up to represent the victim's families...Pr00ne, are you free for the next few years and fancy a nice little earner?
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Does "sovreignty" require a functioning government? Somalia has been in a state of anarchy for decades now....and has no established government per se.
I would suggest your argument is invalid as there is no government with standing to file the complaint.
But....it was a nice try at pulling up a Lunker from the bottom of the pprune pond!
I would suggest your argument is invalid as there is no government with standing to file the complaint.
But....it was a nice try at pulling up a Lunker from the bottom of the pprune pond!
No need for the Buffs.
Now that's Jenga!
Well done, Navy SEALS! Both hostages safely rescued and a gang of worthless trash soundly eliminated. Keep up the good work - the world needs more people with your courage and skills.
Well done, Navy SEALS! Both hostages safely rescued and a gang of worthless trash soundly eliminated. Keep up the good work - the world needs more people with your courage and skills.
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Any operation in Somalia is going to be quite a task given the logistics required. I am guessing that this was an extremely complex op. A night heli insertion culliminating in a succesful rescue without injury to friendlies or hostages is nothing short of bloody impressive. But that is not the full story. A very clear message is finally being sent to these groups, and that is priceless.
Very, very good job.
Very, very good job.
HALO drop in from Herky bird using commercial air route- Pirates didnt know what had happened until milkman found the stiffs stacked next to the empties in the morning! Calling cards left?
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Lone....I reckon the Buff's with their max throw weight in 500 pounders...or even 1000 pounders....removing the place where the hostages were held...would be a fitting reminder of the price one pays if engaged in such activities.
The hostages were there working in a De-Mining project....directly assisting the Somali people and found themselves held captive. NGO Humanitarian assistance is now very limited in Somalia due to the threat of murder and kidnapping.
I see this as a bit of Nation building that would be worth while.
In the old days....the Western Powers dealt with Pirates and such in a very harsh brutal way...and Pirates found themselves other work if not busy decorating a Yard Arm onboard a warship. (Usually as a Privateer under contract to some government....) and folks were safe to go about their business.
If there is no profit in the business...it soon goes banko.
The hostages were there working in a De-Mining project....directly assisting the Somali people and found themselves held captive. NGO Humanitarian assistance is now very limited in Somalia due to the threat of murder and kidnapping.
I see this as a bit of Nation building that would be worth while.
In the old days....the Western Powers dealt with Pirates and such in a very harsh brutal way...and Pirates found themselves other work if not busy decorating a Yard Arm onboard a warship. (Usually as a Privateer under contract to some government....) and folks were safe to go about their business.
If there is no profit in the business...it soon goes banko.
It gets even better (from the Daily Torygraph):
I do hope that the five captured pirates will enjoy a little holiday at Guantanamo Bay's finest hotel....
As many as six helicopters were involved in the operation in the early hours of Wednesday.
Two US Navy SEAL teams, landed deep in Somalia’s pirate heartlands and released the aid workers unharmed. Nine pirates died and five were taken captive during the raid.
The Associated Press, citing unnamed officials, claimed that Seal Team Six, the team behind the death of the al-Qaeda leader, was involved in the raid although this could not be confirmed.
Two US Navy SEAL teams, landed deep in Somalia’s pirate heartlands and released the aid workers unharmed. Nine pirates died and five were taken captive during the raid.
The Associated Press, citing unnamed officials, claimed that Seal Team Six, the team behind the death of the al-Qaeda leader, was involved in the raid although this could not be confirmed.
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It would have been even better if it had been 14 pirates died and 2 hostages rescued, but I suppose even in Somalia ROE have to be adhered to.
Anyway, a good job in what would have been a complicated op.
It would have been even better if it had been 14 pirates died and 2 hostages rescued, but I suppose even in Somalia ROE have to be adhered to.
Anyway, a good job in what would have been a complicated op.
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getting them back
Fantastic to see a country willing to put themselves out to serve their people
I remember when our sailors were taken by Iranian speedboats and a destroyer stood by and watched for fear of upsetting someone
I remember when our sailors were taken by Iranian speedboats and a destroyer stood by and watched for fear of upsetting someone
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It is noteworthy that in the last ten years or so the USN Seals have established themselves as the pre-eminent US special forces, seemingly the "go-to" choice ahead of US Army or USMC special forces (or even USAF SF for the pedants).
I suspect there might be some lessons for us here. I have a theory that one reason might be that the Seals select and train direct from civvy street, and are therefore able to attract some very high-calibre recruits who would never countenance having to first go through a few years in the regular forces (as required in US Army and USMC elite forces) before being able to apply for SF selection.
We used to have a similar channel to UK SF ("R" Sqn 22 SAS) and that too used to recruit a handful of unconventional, bright, fit and motivated people direct from civvy street who wanted to do some action-packed soldiering for their fighting-fittest years but didn't want to first pass through the regular army phases that are a necessary part of training for the majority of those seeking a full army career, either as a soldier or as an officer.
That route into 22 SAS has now been closed down as part of SF regimentation, and even the TA SAS(V) now require prior service in (at least) another TA regiment before attempting the TA SF selection.
Given the undoubted recent success of the Seals I wonder whether there might be a lesson for us too to revert to SF selection direct from civvy street.
I suspect there might be some lessons for us here. I have a theory that one reason might be that the Seals select and train direct from civvy street, and are therefore able to attract some very high-calibre recruits who would never countenance having to first go through a few years in the regular forces (as required in US Army and USMC elite forces) before being able to apply for SF selection.
We used to have a similar channel to UK SF ("R" Sqn 22 SAS) and that too used to recruit a handful of unconventional, bright, fit and motivated people direct from civvy street who wanted to do some action-packed soldiering for their fighting-fittest years but didn't want to first pass through the regular army phases that are a necessary part of training for the majority of those seeking a full army career, either as a soldier or as an officer.
That route into 22 SAS has now been closed down as part of SF regimentation, and even the TA SAS(V) now require prior service in (at least) another TA regiment before attempting the TA SF selection.
Given the undoubted recent success of the Seals I wonder whether there might be a lesson for us too to revert to SF selection direct from civvy street.
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jimgriff: do you know this for a fact, or are your speculating? 
I like the idea, wonder if that was part of the op.
I like the idea, wonder if that was part of the op.
According to BBC News 24, it's the same Navy Seal team that got OBL.
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Trim Stab wrote:
The few who passed my selection way back when Rover was still a big puppy comprised >50% with previous regular service, though not all in green 
That route into 22 SAS has now been closed down as part of SF regimentation, and even the TA SAS(V) now require prior service in (at least) another TA regiment before attempting the TA SF selection.