KAF Fraud
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Agreed. Innocent until proven guilty.
What is probably the issue here is the 'revolving door' of the military-commercial complex. Where lots of nice gucci contracts are awarded to a mate and you then leave the mob to join said mate's company.
VSOs do it all the time, just look at Wratten and Day and the dodgy directorships they held after leaving the RAF!
(But the bigger the crime, the more likely you are to get away with it - Fred the Shred anyone?)
What is probably the issue here is the 'revolving door' of the military-commercial complex. Where lots of nice gucci contracts are awarded to a mate and you then leave the mob to join said mate's company.
VSOs do it all the time, just look at Wratten and Day and the dodgy directorships they held after leaving the RAF!
(But the bigger the crime, the more likely you are to get away with it - Fred the Shred anyone?)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Yes but taxpayers money used to buy earth, that is sold by a private company that has used taxpayers money to dig the earth out of the ground...........hmmmm
The cunning bit seems to be that the contractor acquired the ownership of the spoil - possibly by the contract requiring that they "dispose" of it? Which they were then able to sell at a profit.
I would ask who wrote and approved the terms of the contract; and who then ran and sat on the board that awarded the contract; and - if as reported the individuals concerned were shareholders - at what stage they acquired the shares and whether there was a conflict of interests.
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Something strange happens to Regt officers when they reach very senior rank...
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ORAC, you seem to be suggesting that all parties to the contract were named in the DM 
Now many many years ago there was anot dissimilar scam at Alor Star.
The plan was to increase the RW LCN to, IIRC, 20. Accordingly truck upon truck of hardcore was delivered to the base. What no one noticed was the hardcore was then trucked off the base only to return through the main gate shortly thereafter.
Only when a Valetta landed on and went through the runway was the scam discovered. The RW LCN was classed as 5.
Now many many years ago there was anot dissimilar scam at Alor Star.
The plan was to increase the RW LCN to, IIRC, 20. Accordingly truck upon truck of hardcore was delivered to the base. What no one noticed was the hardcore was then trucked off the base only to return through the main gate shortly thereafter.
Only when a Valetta landed on and went through the runway was the scam discovered. The RW LCN was classed as 5.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
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AtG, maybe faster as Rocks.
I am told that the sqn ldr was Provost.
I am told that the sqn ldr was Provost.
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator
I am told that the sqn ldr was Provost
Off to take a sweetness pill...
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Where lots of nice gucci contracts are awarded to a mate and you then leave the mob to join said mate's company.
He had met his new neighbour in the pub the previous night and it turned out he was UK head of a US company who, hitherto, had never bid for MoD UK work on their products. Ferranti had always done it - in this case, OMEGA kit.
I was instructed to cancel Ferranti's contracts forthwith and award them to this guy's one-man-and-a-dog setup. No competition. No bidding. Just give them a cost-plus contract and they'd submit the bills.
Of course, this would be fraud but I was gleefully informed only I would be committing an offence, as his instruction to commit it was not one. I thought he was talking balls, and in any case just ignored him (much to the relief of the squadrons and 30MU), but he was proven correct. PUS and successive Mins(AF) have ruled the instruction is not an offence, but both obeying and disobeying the order is. (Bizarre, but absolutely true). Interesting that he learned such a legal nicety in the Army! Although he was also a part-time Magistrate.
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tuc,
It makes absolutely no difference if PUS, Min (AF), CDS and SofS all got together and sung it in perfect harmony. Incitement to commit a crime is in itself a criminal offence in this land (regardless of whether the crime is indeed committed or not).
It makes absolutely no difference if PUS, Min (AF), CDS and SofS all got together and sung it in perfect harmony. Incitement to commit a crime is in itself a criminal offence in this land (regardless of whether the crime is indeed committed or not).
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Agreed, but when they all stand together, and are allowed to judge their own case, who do you go to? You'd think somewhere along the line someone would stop and think. But they are all quite happy to place their rulings in writing. Self healing, indeed. It makes me think there is something more to this particular case, but it is more likely to be because they are junior staff and easy targets. I do not excuse their (alleged) actions, but higher ups have done much worse and been praised.
Agreed, but when they all stand together, and are allowed to judge their own case, who do you go to? You'd think somewhere along the line someone would stop and think. But they are all quite happy to place their rulings in writing. Self healing, indeed. It makes me think there is something more to this particular case, but it is more likely to be because they are junior staff and easy targets. I do not excuse their (alleged) actions, but higher ups have done much worse and been praised.