Service Pride?
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Would you rather have a 100% representative armed force
I asked him why that doesn't apply to the US Olympic Track & Field Team ......
If the UK military is supposed to be more closely representative of the society it is recruited from - why aren't there any 80-90 year olds employed - blatant ageism if ever I saw it! Or are we only going to actively recruit certain minorities and ignore others (sin heaped upon sin)!
Not that people over 65 are much of a minority....
1 in 6 of the UK population is currently over 65, and by 2050 that will be 1 in 4!
The ageing population - UK Parliament
Not that people over 65 are much of a minority....
1 in 6 of the UK population is currently over 65, and by 2050 that will be 1 in 4!
The ageing population - UK Parliament
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If the UK military is supposed to be more closely representative of the society it is recruited from
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
building their E&D CV for the job after they have no future service appointment
First we had QA rammed down our throats, the Service Level Agreements - 'sorry can't do that no SLA or it will be 20 working days as per SLA' , European Computer Driving Licence (for CinC's CV), GPC courses (now that really worked across Government didn't it).
Then creeping civilianisation of terms - management - excecutive - HR - appraisal - white fleet and probably many others.
Would you rather have a 100% representative armed force including all the differing groups of all the lovely diverse types of people, in all their cuddly aspects, which were inefficient in it's one and only primary role, but fulfilled all the equality/diversity criteria in today's PC world.....
Don't think I'll be calling any of them cuddly though!
Re ageism in the military - I wouldnt mind coming back. Do they do Stannah stairlifts on aircraft?
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That way I'll get Alexander the Great, Hadrian, Richard the Lionheart, T.E.Lawrence and many more who would be excluded if some had their way.
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Harley Quinn and TTN.
Just a quick response and to make myself as clear as I possibly can be.
I really couldn't care less if you are white, black or anything inbetween. I don't want to know what your sexual preferences or turn ons are in any respect. It is hard for me to express how disinterested I am in whether you like girls, boys or both. I don't care what your political opinions are as long as they do not interfere in your ability to perform the tasks that I give to you as part of the command structure which we all agreed to serve. I'm not at all interested in which God you do, or do not, believe in.
If you are getting a hard time because of any of the above, I will side with you and come down hard on the narrow minded protagonist abusing you, if guilt is proven. But I'd rather it was dealt with quietly and firmly by a professional British NCO.
I have family, friends, colleagues and subordinates who will tick just about all of the diversity criteria I can think of and it keeps life interesting - off duty.
However, there should be no need, or urge, to express or endorse any lifestyle through service means, or attempt to positively discriminate/pander to any group of people whatsoever. It's the best man for the job. Endex.
Historically the UK forces are made up of white working class males who have kicked many backsides all over the world in the name of the Queen/King, with such men kept in check by their officers and SNCOs. The demographic of the coutry has changed in the last 100 years, and so some of these men (and women) may now look a little different. I don't care about that either. But don't expect to be promoted, because I am short of native american NCOs, on that basis alone. Also, if a job such as supplier requires the person to be capable of lugging kit around in the desert heat, then a 19 year old size 8 female is way down my list of preferred personnel at that time.
To my lovely boys and girls - you are all equally wonderful in my eyes when you come to work for me until they you prove otherwise. You will know about it when that happens. But don't expect special allowances to be made because you tick some minority box or another. I don't care. Never have.
Just a quick response and to make myself as clear as I possibly can be.
I really couldn't care less if you are white, black or anything inbetween. I don't want to know what your sexual preferences or turn ons are in any respect. It is hard for me to express how disinterested I am in whether you like girls, boys or both. I don't care what your political opinions are as long as they do not interfere in your ability to perform the tasks that I give to you as part of the command structure which we all agreed to serve. I'm not at all interested in which God you do, or do not, believe in.
If you are getting a hard time because of any of the above, I will side with you and come down hard on the narrow minded protagonist abusing you, if guilt is proven. But I'd rather it was dealt with quietly and firmly by a professional British NCO.
I have family, friends, colleagues and subordinates who will tick just about all of the diversity criteria I can think of and it keeps life interesting - off duty.
However, there should be no need, or urge, to express or endorse any lifestyle through service means, or attempt to positively discriminate/pander to any group of people whatsoever. It's the best man for the job. Endex.
Historically the UK forces are made up of white working class males who have kicked many backsides all over the world in the name of the Queen/King, with such men kept in check by their officers and SNCOs. The demographic of the coutry has changed in the last 100 years, and so some of these men (and women) may now look a little different. I don't care about that either. But don't expect to be promoted, because I am short of native american NCOs, on that basis alone. Also, if a job such as supplier requires the person to be capable of lugging kit around in the desert heat, then a 19 year old size 8 female is way down my list of preferred personnel at that time.
To my lovely boys and girls - you are all equally wonderful in my eyes when you come to work for me until they you prove otherwise. You will know about it when that happens. But don't expect special allowances to be made because you tick some minority box or another. I don't care. Never have.
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Nice post - assuming you are not a Costa Captain!!
However, being a pedant:
Perhaps "person" these days might work better!!
Nevertheless, you make entirely valid and correct points!!
Good to see.
However, being a pedant:
It's the best man for the job. Endex.
Nevertheless, you make entirely valid and correct points!!
Good to see.
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Thanks BomberH,
I was just being as clear as I could be as a couple of chaps skimming the forum seemed to think I was some sort of immature closet homophobic racist. Which I'm not.
However, in the interests of diversity I am very keen to get an immature closet homophobic racist into my command if anyone has a spare, as I feel that they should also not be discrimnated against. I think.
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I was just being as clear as I could be as a couple of chaps skimming the forum seemed to think I was some sort of immature closet homophobic racist. Which I'm not.
However, in the interests of diversity I am very keen to get an immature closet homophobic racist into my command if anyone has a spare, as I feel that they should also not be discrimnated against. I think.
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Doesn't Airborne Artist take some odd holiday snaps, last time I went to London it was all Big Ben and the Houses Parliament.... Never thought or did it even cross my mind to take pics of half naked men wearing partial Artic Camo... Still everyone to their own
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Nnnnnnnooooooooo I mistyped his name and the moment is lost for ever.
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Nnnnnnnooooooooo I mistyped his name and the moment is lost for ever.
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Ooops, I thought there was a little dig in there yes. I was probably being a bit sensitive. Apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.
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I think that chap in the picture may actually be called Big Ben, so it's not actually so different from your London holiday snaps.
Ooops, I thought there was a little dig in there yes. I was probably being a bit sensitive. Apologies for any misunderstanding on my part.
Nutloose
I think that chap in the picture may actually be called Big Ben, so it's not actually so different from your London holiday snaps.
A long way from the snowdrop trying to charge me with 'conduct unbecoming' for kissing my missus outside the gates at st mawgan!
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"Also, if a job such as supplier requires the person to be capable of lugging kit around in the desert heat, then a 19 year old size 8 female is way down my list of preferred personnel at that time."
If they can do it, fine by me but have been in two situations involving females that couldn't do what was asked, one involved lugging kit on exercise in hot weather (was ordered to take her with the resultant collapse not long after requiring evac, the other, didn't exit the helocopter when everyone else did even after repeated instructions as to why it was important for aircraft stability and waiting for her to say she was ready. Seeing a helocopter rock from side to side is not a sight you want to see when trying to get on the ground from a rope.
"Also, if a job such as supplier requires the person to be capable of lugging kit around in the desert heat, then a 19 year old size 8 female is way down my list of preferred personnel at that time."
If they can do it, fine by me but have been in two situations involving females that couldn't do what was asked, one involved lugging kit on exercise in hot weather (was ordered to take her with the resultant collapse not long after requiring evac, the other, didn't exit the helocopter when everyone else did even after repeated instructions as to why it was important for aircraft stability and waiting for her to say she was ready. Seeing a helocopter rock from side to side is not a sight you want to see when trying to get on the ground from a rope.