ALL PROCEEDS IN AID OF H4H AND RAFBF!
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Folks,
I have been informed that, in accordance with PPRuNe policy, this thread will be closed tomorrow.
I was aware when I started the thread that there were issues with 'advertising wares', hence my:
However, it is also the case that actually raising charity funds (indirectly this thread is) is also against the SOPs. The thread has run its course and I imagine that those who will, have already ordered a copy of Out of the Blue. Well done, if you have - you will find my 4 offerings on Pages 33, 85, 89 and 210. Hope you enjoy them and all the other tales therein.
May I also offer my grateful thanks to the Mods for allowing the thread to run for what will be, in the end, 5 days.
Foldie
I have been informed that, in accordance with PPRuNe policy, this thread will be closed tomorrow.
I was aware when I started the thread that there were issues with 'advertising wares', hence my:
PS. If the Mods deem this inappropriate then that would be a shame given that it is all in the aid of charity!
May I also offer my grateful thanks to the Mods for allowing the thread to run for what will be, in the end, 5 days.
Foldie
I don't trust that non-https Halldale site - it is obviously rather more than an Internet book shop and notices such as...
...fill me with little confidence. Particularly with a price quoted in lard-ar$e money.
Rather than register and risk follow-up spam, I think I'll wait until a rather better-known Internet seller advertises the book.
Foldie, if you have contacts at Halldale, please pass the message on. Incidentally, why isn't it for sale at the H4H webshop?
Please note that you may only order one item at a time. If you require more tickets, please complete this registration, then register again for each delegate.
Rather than register and risk follow-up spam, I think I'll wait until a rather better-known Internet seller advertises the book.
Foldie, if you have contacts at Halldale, please pass the message on. Incidentally, why isn't it for sale at the H4H webshop?
Re my earlier post, I'm still unable to log in and buy the book from Halldane.
If they are unable to provide a user friendly website, then they will lose loads of business and in this specific case, a commendable charity opportunity will be lost.
The problem stems from the rejection of perfectly valid information and there are just so many times one can keep going round the loop before becoming exasperated.
Old Duffer - in grumpy mode.
PS If anybody with access wants to buy the book for me, I'll donate the price of a further copy to the charity.
If they are unable to provide a user friendly website, then they will lose loads of business and in this specific case, a commendable charity opportunity will be lost.
The problem stems from the rejection of perfectly valid information and there are just so many times one can keep going round the loop before becoming exasperated.
Old Duffer - in grumpy mode.
PS If anybody with access wants to buy the book for me, I'll donate the price of a further copy to the charity.
The system for ordering online from Halldale does not seem to be great. Having received my free copy, for which I thank them, I ordered 3 more last Saturday. My credit card was immediately debited for the transaction; after $/£ conversion, the charge was £32.50. This means a delivery charge of £8.53 for 3 paperback books, for which I hoped to get a pretty snappy service, even though I had missed the Christmas deadline. Sadly, they haven't arrived yet, but I still live in a state of hopeful anticipation.
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BEagle, as per my previous post. It's all something to do with the taxman and the fact that the 3 people who set the book up would have to register as a charity and then fall foul of taxation re sales etc.
This from the 'organisers':
Halldale Media Group is a company that is based in the USA, hence the pricing in dollars. However, the books are dispatched from their office in Farnborough! They are well-known in the aviation publishing business and, if you take the time to check out their website you will find that they produce a number of eminent volumes and magazines on aviation topics general.
I know it's a pain having to register an account but I can assure you that many have already done so and secured copies of the book. Last I heard 200 had been sold by word of mouth and that was before I advertised it here and to the 500 members of the Buccaneer Aircrew Association.
Don't be a sceptic, stick with it and help 2 worthwhile charities at the same time.
IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE THROUGH OTHER OUTLETS UNTIL THE FIRST PRINTING RUN HAS SOLD OUT - that from the nag's head (horse's mouth)!
Foldie
This from the 'organisers':
Ian has forwarded your mail to me. Just to give you a little of the background, it seemed obvious initially that Amazon and ebook (Kindle) would have been the way to go right from the start. The prime attraction was that, in theory, it would not cost anything to get it out there!
I tried over many attempts to speak to someone in Amazon, but none of them understood the concept of charity/H4H/RAF Ben Fund. What they did understand was that they would have to take their cut (nominally 30%) and then copy details of any transaction to the IRS in the US and any local tax authority in the UK so that tax could be levied on any monies received from Amazon. To do that and keep it separate from extra charges on our private tax bill we would have had to set up, register and maintain a tax-free status as a charity to get the relevant tax exemption.
In the basic principles of KISS we managed to persuade Halldale to accept and channel the monies from the sale on their site to go directly to the charities. Because there was no handling charge and profit taken by Halldale, the Tax folk have no profit or charge on which to levy any form of taxation. So, we opted for a paperback version to start with.The next thing was to get the sponsors to pay for the first print run, the which BAe Systems and CAE, bless 'em.
Here's the really interesting bit - within 24 hours of the exclusive launch on the Halldale website, Amazon had a link. They have at no time contacted us about it, but we can only surmise that at some point they will contact us to negotiate a purchase, and logic says that for them to make a profit out of it we will be asked to sell it at a discount to them!
So Amazon haven't got it ( I have myself ordered a copy from them, as have others, to see what happens), but we have got the only supply, and our process gets all the money to the Charities. If eventually we do get Amazon to buy in, then I expect we will have to accept less for it, but, given that it all goes into the coffers, then maybe we will bite that bullet. If that's the way it goes then the cost to the buyers is less, but the yield to the charities (per book) falls.
I tried over many attempts to speak to someone in Amazon, but none of them understood the concept of charity/H4H/RAF Ben Fund. What they did understand was that they would have to take their cut (nominally 30%) and then copy details of any transaction to the IRS in the US and any local tax authority in the UK so that tax could be levied on any monies received from Amazon. To do that and keep it separate from extra charges on our private tax bill we would have had to set up, register and maintain a tax-free status as a charity to get the relevant tax exemption.
In the basic principles of KISS we managed to persuade Halldale to accept and channel the monies from the sale on their site to go directly to the charities. Because there was no handling charge and profit taken by Halldale, the Tax folk have no profit or charge on which to levy any form of taxation. So, we opted for a paperback version to start with.The next thing was to get the sponsors to pay for the first print run, the which BAe Systems and CAE, bless 'em.
Here's the really interesting bit - within 24 hours of the exclusive launch on the Halldale website, Amazon had a link. They have at no time contacted us about it, but we can only surmise that at some point they will contact us to negotiate a purchase, and logic says that for them to make a profit out of it we will be asked to sell it at a discount to them!
So Amazon haven't got it ( I have myself ordered a copy from them, as have others, to see what happens), but we have got the only supply, and our process gets all the money to the Charities. If eventually we do get Amazon to buy in, then I expect we will have to accept less for it, but, given that it all goes into the coffers, then maybe we will bite that bullet. If that's the way it goes then the cost to the buyers is less, but the yield to the charities (per book) falls.
I know it's a pain having to register an account but I can assure you that many have already done so and secured copies of the book. Last I heard 200 had been sold by word of mouth and that was before I advertised it here and to the 500 members of the Buccaneer Aircrew Association.
Don't be a sceptic, stick with it and help 2 worthwhile charities at the same time.
IT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE THROUGH OTHER OUTLETS UNTIL THE FIRST PRINTING RUN HAS SOLD OUT - that from the nag's head (horse's mouth)!
Foldie
