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Mach Two,
My apologies. I should have explained my thoughts without jesting.
I disagree with your analysis. China do not want North Korea to carry out any attacks. Why would they? China are winning/ have won the economic war already.
I would agree that North Korea might demonstrate their military might at some stage, but not currently. The previous military attacks may well have been the Korean Military making a power play for internal political reasons.
I believe that we have issues of a higher priority elsewhere.
My apologies. I should have explained my thoughts without jesting.
I disagree with your analysis. China do not want North Korea to carry out any attacks. Why would they? China are winning/ have won the economic war already.
I would agree that North Korea might demonstrate their military might at some stage, but not currently. The previous military attacks may well have been the Korean Military making a power play for internal political reasons.
I believe that we have issues of a higher priority elsewhere.
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Yeah, but you can't trust them, hval. If NK is there for the taking, they'll be only to happy to have it. Why are they still so interested in Taiwan?
Still expanding into Africa and all over Europe. What about Vietnam? The writing's on the wall.
Hang on, what higher prioities? Do you mean the Olympics?
Still expanding into Africa and all over Europe. What about Vietnam? The writing's on the wall.
Hang on, what higher prioities? Do you mean the Olympics?
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China won't be seen to be directly involved in all this - they have too much to lose internationally in terms of status. All they need to do is continue to provide infrstructure support to North Korea and Iran. Thats where both countries obtain their military technology from (and so does Syria indirectly)
All three countries are effectively Chinese proxies and will kick off a combined war, while Russia will support Syria - as it will distract Turkey and Nato from interference in the Caucasus
All three countries are effectively Chinese proxies and will kick off a combined war, while Russia will support Syria - as it will distract Turkey and Nato from interference in the Caucasus
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Christmas Day is when it kicks off
The Russians will be keen - Putin needs something to restore his popularity (a Falklands style show of strength in the Med should do that) and he needs to distract his population from the fact that the Russian banks are effectively insolvent
The Russians will be keen - Putin needs something to restore his popularity (a Falklands style show of strength in the Med should do that) and he needs to distract his population from the fact that the Russian banks are effectively insolvent
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This threads getting really cool, havn't had this much fun since reading the UFO conspirocy threads.
Looks like I've left my run a bit late to get me a little patch in the south east of WA to hunker down for armageddon
Oh well Christmas day sounds like it will be interesting.
Looks like I've left my run a bit late to get me a little patch in the south east of WA to hunker down for armageddon
Oh well Christmas day sounds like it will be interesting.
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Actually I'll add a little extra, a little birdy tells me the Chinese will take advantage of the fact that every ones all interventioned out to reclaim Taiwan.
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Stop chopping and changing, you are all over the place.
I might have to nail you down to an action that will occur on a certain date
and put some money on it
Stop chopping and changing, you are all over the place.
I might have to nail you down to an action that will occur on a certain date
and put some money on it
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Mach Two,
The Olympics are a problem, but Iran is a larger problem. They are attempting to control as much of the Middle East as possible including Afghanistan and the total destruction of Israel. These attempts include terrorism, political and indirect attacks on all countries in the region. Iran are increasing their influence within Pakistan for instance by saying that their common enemy is the USA. You will be aware of much else I haven't written as it is common knowledge and has been written about here (i.e. many of the Middle East problems are down to Iran). Russia are interested as it weakens their foes as well as introducing an area the US is denied for use, and loses control of POL supplies from the region. The Straits of Hormuz are currently not of great interest to Iran, but will be if fighting does commence.
Iran have been, and continue to, sponsor terrorism globally. This includes targeting the Olympics. China spent $70 billion on security, Greece spent $14.8 billion. The UK is spending a bit over $1 billion. What does that tell you? Having said that the UK already has a large complex security infrastructure in place, but not $69 billion worth.
On top of that Iran are planning/ carrying out cyber attacks against the United States from Mexico (and perhaps Cuba). Funding for the Cyber Warfare is about $1 billion. Iran are also increasing their influence in South America. This also includes money laundering and drug trafficking activities by terrorist groups supported by Iran. In Venezuela there are Iranian military camps organised through Iranian financed mosques within Venezuela.
China will not be happy if Iran gain control of Afghanistan as they have invested vast sums in mineral extraction in Afghanistan. This amount of money is increasing. China are happy with much else as the US focus is mainly on the Middle East (including Afghanistan). China wants Taiwan and South Korea, but realises that both these countries are wealthy, so has to be careful on how it brings them in to its sphere of influence.
One of the few things Iran can not be blamed for are the Somali pirate problems.
I could write a rather long report on Iran and the security issues, but PPRuNe is not the place for it.
I forgot to add; due to the way the death of Kim Jong II was announced, there will be a peaceful transition to the new "Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un". This does not preclude localised attacks on South Korean assets (as in the sinking of the Cheonan), nor military posturing such as the firing of missiles.
The Olympics are a problem, but Iran is a larger problem. They are attempting to control as much of the Middle East as possible including Afghanistan and the total destruction of Israel. These attempts include terrorism, political and indirect attacks on all countries in the region. Iran are increasing their influence within Pakistan for instance by saying that their common enemy is the USA. You will be aware of much else I haven't written as it is common knowledge and has been written about here (i.e. many of the Middle East problems are down to Iran). Russia are interested as it weakens their foes as well as introducing an area the US is denied for use, and loses control of POL supplies from the region. The Straits of Hormuz are currently not of great interest to Iran, but will be if fighting does commence.
Iran have been, and continue to, sponsor terrorism globally. This includes targeting the Olympics. China spent $70 billion on security, Greece spent $14.8 billion. The UK is spending a bit over $1 billion. What does that tell you? Having said that the UK already has a large complex security infrastructure in place, but not $69 billion worth.
On top of that Iran are planning/ carrying out cyber attacks against the United States from Mexico (and perhaps Cuba). Funding for the Cyber Warfare is about $1 billion. Iran are also increasing their influence in South America. This also includes money laundering and drug trafficking activities by terrorist groups supported by Iran. In Venezuela there are Iranian military camps organised through Iranian financed mosques within Venezuela.
China will not be happy if Iran gain control of Afghanistan as they have invested vast sums in mineral extraction in Afghanistan. This amount of money is increasing. China are happy with much else as the US focus is mainly on the Middle East (including Afghanistan). China wants Taiwan and South Korea, but realises that both these countries are wealthy, so has to be careful on how it brings them in to its sphere of influence.
One of the few things Iran can not be blamed for are the Somali pirate problems.
I could write a rather long report on Iran and the security issues, but PPRuNe is not the place for it.
I forgot to add; due to the way the death of Kim Jong II was announced, there will be a peaceful transition to the new "Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un". This does not preclude localised attacks on South Korean assets (as in the sinking of the Cheonan), nor military posturing such as the firing of missiles.
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That's exactly right, hval. Good analysis. Did you know that the USA has spent $169 million on producing 8 enormous bunker-busting bombs. It looks like they are going to be secretly given to Israel to use in the next few weeks on Iranian nuclear facilities.
As Israel lacks the capability carry a 15 ton bomb across the middle east, the failing Obama administration will use B2's to deliver exactly 8 conventional on the Iranian underground facilities before Xmas. The Israelis will claim that they did it, but we will know it was the US.
As Israel lacks the capability carry a 15 ton bomb across the middle east, the failing Obama administration will use B2's to deliver exactly 8 conventional on the Iranian underground facilities before Xmas. The Israelis will claim that they did it, but we will know it was the US.
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@ Jamesdevice,
The United Kingdom is an exporter of terrorism. This is why the USA has such strict security on people coming from the UK. Think of UK mainland attacks such as Glasgow Airport or the 7th of July 2005 London bombings. Also think of the fact that the UK is under severe stress from the economy, with many dissatisfied indigents. Then there is the issue with border security being a total failure, leaving us with somewhat porous borders that are perfect for allowing undesirable persons in to the country.
I would also like to raise how difficult it is for UK security to control any one or any thing within the UK. The laws do not allow for it.
we don't have a dissident population like China
I would also like to raise how difficult it is for UK security to control any one or any thing within the UK. The laws do not allow for it.
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Mach Two,
I am aware of the weapons. The problem for Israel is that they are outnumbered both in man power and in weapons. Quality is important, but as has been proven time & time again numbers count. Also look at the Asymmetrical Warfare carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as elsewhere). You only need a few people with home made bombs to cause massive costs, militarily, monetarily and politically.
I am aware of the weapons. The problem for Israel is that they are outnumbered both in man power and in weapons. Quality is important, but as has been proven time & time again numbers count. Also look at the Asymmetrical Warfare carried out in Iraq and Afghanistan (as well as elsewhere). You only need a few people with home made bombs to cause massive costs, militarily, monetarily and politically.
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OMG, just had an int briefing. Looks like there a 198 unidentified airborne tracks heading north out of Israel towards the Syrian border. US are diverting an E3 to a northern orbit to get an update. Have to dash now. Will update you all as soon as I can.
P.S. keep this under your hats, it's very classified. Getting funny looks for rushing out of the briefing to get in the interweb. Must be careful...
P.S. keep this under your hats, it's very classified. Getting funny looks for rushing out of the briefing to get in the interweb. Must be careful...
Mach Two, I have to say that your recent posts, together with those from jamesdevice and SAMXXV, have really dragged PPRuNe down to a shadow of its former self.
There is a place for humour - but continuous puerile nonsense is ruining the once-proud Military Aircrew forum....
There is a place for humour - but continuous puerile nonsense is ruining the once-proud Military Aircrew forum....
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Ouch.
Welcome back, SAM. You are reasonably sane. Actually, your last post makes more sense than anything I've seen here in days. But that was JD and hval messing about. I told them not to, but they wouldn't listen.
Now, how do you think the Israeli strike going to happen, SAM? What assets, what weapons and how about the Iranian air defences?
Welcome back, SAM. You are reasonably sane. Actually, your last post makes more sense than anything I've seen here in days. But that was JD and hval messing about. I told them not to, but they wouldn't listen.
Now, how do you think the Israeli strike going to happen, SAM? What assets, what weapons and how about the Iranian air defences?
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Can't we all accept the World is not going to end.... Old people die, Presidents, Kings and Queens get deposed or replaced.
North Korean President dies... North Korea fears outside forces will take advantage, they step up security. Adjoining countries see the movements and instantly fear a possibility of an invasion... They raise their security. We then see other countries watching this activity and they in turn start hitting the panic\reaction button. Has this ever happened before? Think President Kennedy.
Why not just sit back, let North Korea mourn and replace its leader... Simples
North Korean President dies... North Korea fears outside forces will take advantage, they step up security. Adjoining countries see the movements and instantly fear a possibility of an invasion... They raise their security. We then see other countries watching this activity and they in turn start hitting the panic\reaction button. Has this ever happened before? Think President Kennedy.
Why not just sit back, let North Korea mourn and replace its leader... Simples