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Old 7th Nov 2011, 23:33
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JP landing instruction

Gentlemen, would one of you have a link to that splendid example of QFI'ing in a JP (possibly not standard CFS patter) where the underperforming stude is seriously b......d through the approach and then given the encouraging words along the lines of "you are too tense, just relax".
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PM and e-mail sent with video link.

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Any chance of the link being added to the thread?

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Yes Please!
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Yer tiz:


(Starts at about 1:22)

But it was a put up job for the BBC luvvies - not the QFI's normal instructional style at all!
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Are you sure about that Beagle? I seem to remember being shouted at quite a lot!!

My worst experience was at Chivenor where a certain instructor shouted so much I gave him control and he took us back to base! I thought his whole aim in life was to scare me to death and get me chopped! Funnily enough it did not work and after a flight check with the Boss next day, I never had to fly with that instructor ever again!

The Luvvies would have had a field day!
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In early '64 I was having predictable problems landing a Gnat on the 6000 ft wet slippery runway, with a x wind, at Rissy. My Antipodean instructor (B R) thought that bellowing at me was going to help - it didn't. Anybody remember a resurfacing involving some lethal-when-wet material called "Slick Slurry"? It was like oily glass when damp or wet.
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Reminds me more of my Flying Scholarship instructor on Austers at Sywell. JP instructors I flew with all seemed to have a relaxed style, other than the odd one or two
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Got to love how he's up him mercilessly all the way down finals, then when they jump out and take their helmets off the QFI comes across all matey! Note the student's nervous response. Thanks Sir, you're a prick!

"Come on, this will just not do! You're making some really stupid mistakes..."

"You're not looking at the right things, I mean, Christ, that's the airspeed indicator, it tells you how fast you're going!"
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That QFI makes it obvious why it was called the "cock"pit.

Many of us had to put up with "instruction" like that, or drop by the wayside.
Flying with someone like him could easily set a student's confidence back a month or two, or even worse, destroy it.

I'm sure things in the military are better these days; quality of instruction rather than quantity.
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The other side of the coin was the CinC Trg who let it be known that there were no bad students, only bad instructors and chopping students was not permitted (64 to 66 ish). We found a way round it needless to say!
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Many of us had to put up with "instruction" like that, or drop by the wayside.
Flying with someone like him could easily set a student's confidence back a month or two, or even worse, destroy it.
Hear, Hear!
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Talking of instructors, anyone know what happened to John Metcalfe - I think he was a creamie, at least he was a fg off when I was his stude. Great guy and taught me a lot, well, everything really. Had a lovely Triumph TR
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QFIs

Anyone remember right hand circuits at Linton on Wednesdays? I had a trip with the Flt Cdr, not long into the course on a Wednesday. After a couple of circuits this idiot was screaming like a banshee and smacking me over the head with his gloves! I really felt like leaning across and pulling his seat pan handle. Man was a complete t**t. I think that put me on the slippery slope to being chopped - but it took them another 60 hours to make their minds up. I wonder if it's still like that in these PC days? CB
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Seriously, did no-one at least threaten to deck the git for that kind of action? They have all the power anyway: why be knobish too? Did it happen to Jockie Weir, I wonder?

Small people.

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Wednesday afternoon' was "Sports Afternoon", right hand circuits to avoid overfly of rugby pitches?
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JP Landing Instruction

Many thanks TJ and Beagle - that's the one!

The non-standard patter from a Varsity QFI at Oakington went along the lines of

"you are making this too difficult, I like to do everything the easy way - except s....l intercourse which I perform standing on my head in a hammock" !!!

I have long forgotten all else that he said, but somehow that one stuck!
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I recall an instructor at Valley teaching formation (in which either me or the Gnat was very twitchy) -"Be gentle. Just remember - treat the stick like your girlfriend's nipple!"
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Might be one of those urban legends I'm imagining, but wasn't the furore over the instructional techniques shown in this series, the main driver for setting up AIC (Aircrew Instructors Course) at CFS?

And no, it wasn't just confined to pilots, my OCU screen (early 80's) was an over bearing bully whose welcoming speech to me and my fellow 'Bloggs' was "I'm **** ***** , and I'm a complete b*****d. I've got a 50% chop rate, so which one of you two is it gonna be?" *

I learnt a lot from about instructing from **** when it became my turn many years later!

* Yes, it was I, succombed to his tactics but subsequently sailed through my recourse with a fresh screen, fresh attitude and bags more confidence. As for the bully, well the RAF eventually saw through him and used Options to boot him into touch
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"Cuddles, Sir"
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