Scottish Independence
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From: Over the hill (and far away)
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You might need to go back a couple of thousand years to when the Romans displaced Britons and Celts, who in turn displaced Picts...who displaced...? Then chuck in the wandering scandinavians who settled the fringes and then infiltrated further inland. What indeed is the Scottish identity - probably about as muddled as the English one.
By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that Redbarron might be a Scottish relative of SAMXXV (albeit with better grammar and spelling)?
Mister B
You might need to go back a couple of thousand years to when the Romans displaced Britons and Celts, who in turn displaced Picts...who displaced...? Then chuck in the wandering scandinavians who settled the fringes and then infiltrated further inland. What indeed is the Scottish identity - probably about as muddled as the English one.
By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that Redbarron might be a Scottish relative of SAMXXV (albeit with better grammar and spelling)?
Mister B
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Mr HTB, quite right. On my paternal side we were definitely (maybe) English back to 1447 but have branches in all the former Dominiums including one bigamous marriage in South Africa 
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Give Scotland their own way.
Let them be liable for the debts of RBS.
Let them be liable for the debts of HBOS.
Let them have the assets of remaining oil in their territorial waters.
Let them fund their own social security ( The number of people claiming workless benefits in Scotland was approximately 481,600 in May 2011 of a population of 5.194 million thats over 9%)
Let them fund their own education ( plus of £4.0 billion per annum )
I am tired of hearing the jocks bleating on about independence let em go.
Let them be liable for the debts of RBS.
Let them be liable for the debts of HBOS.
Let them have the assets of remaining oil in their territorial waters.
Let them fund their own social security ( The number of people claiming workless benefits in Scotland was approximately 481,600 in May 2011 of a population of 5.194 million thats over 9%)
Let them fund their own education ( plus of £4.0 billion per annum )
I am tired of hearing the jocks bleating on about independence let em go.
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By the way, does anyone else get the feeling that Redbarron might be a Scottish relative of SAMXXV (albeit with better grammar and spelling)?
Mister B
Yes, but still cannot spell e.g.
Barron
like calling me a metreologist!
Mister B
Yes, but still cannot spell e.g.
Barron
like calling me a metreologist!
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From: France 46
Will an independent Scotland have its own Currency or will it adopt the Euro? It will have to instigate its own Scottish Passport as it will no longer be part of the UK. It will also therefore have to instigate its own arrangements for Consular assistance to its Citizens abroad and will have to provide its own Embassy arrangements in other Countries.
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From: Somewhere Sunny
Angus Roberston (SNP Defence Spokesman) is normally a sane character, but I do have to question his 'defence policy' consisting Mech Inf Bde that completely lacks any CSS. Perhaps the Scottish Army will forage, rape and pillage like its ancestors in order to support itself on the ground on UN missions.
No details yet on what the SNS will consist of, and he's too late for the SAF to have Nimrods!
No details yet on what the SNS will consist of, and he's too late for the SAF to have Nimrods!
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From: Very close to the Theatre of Dreams!
I dont seem to remember much call for an indepenent Scotland before oil was discovered do you. Also I guess the SNS would have to be well equiped enough to protect the oil fields you cant do that with a couple of rowing boats and a catapult.
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From: UK
I seem to recall reading rightly or wrongly that the Oil taxes were worth £6 Billion and the UK subsidy to Scotland costs us £10 Billion.
Also it was not an English Banking crisis but a Scottish Banking crisis
Apart from Northern Rock which was a tiddler by comparison to RBS and HBOS.
Also it was not an English Banking crisis but a Scottish Banking crisis
Apart from Northern Rock which was a tiddler by comparison to RBS and HBOS.
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From: In a Beaut of a State
Talking with a Scots mate in the Bush Fire Brigade this evening (who has not lived in Scotland for over 40 years) and he is totally fired up over nationalism and wants a vote to put his cross in the 'yes' box.
Would he be entitled? Is he relevant?
And if he is then is my wife's mother who, whilst born in Australia, was the daughter of an emigre Scot from Tongue not also entitled? Or, indeed, my wife herself?
Or maybe another mate who was my best man for my second wedding who is a Yorkshireman through and through but now lives near Lossiemouth?
I fear that a great abyss awaits and one should heed the warnings as the first step into the bog is taken.
Would he be entitled? Is he relevant?
And if he is then is my wife's mother who, whilst born in Australia, was the daughter of an emigre Scot from Tongue not also entitled? Or, indeed, my wife herself?
Or maybe another mate who was my best man for my second wedding who is a Yorkshireman through and through but now lives near Lossiemouth?
I fear that a great abyss awaits and one should heed the warnings as the first step into the bog is taken.
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From: London
I've been blogging on this - Bagpipes, Bayonets, Bluster and Bugger all else?
As I cant' seem to post a link to a certain blogging website, if you go to my front page on ARRSE, click 'about me' and you can find a link there via my signature block. View Profile: jim30 - The Army Rumour Service
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I've been blogging on this - Bagpipes, Bayonets, Bluster and Bugger all else?
As I cant' seem to post a link to a certain blogging website, if you go to my front page on ARRSE, click 'about me' and you can find a link there via my signature block. View Profile: jim30 - The Army Rumour Service
As I cant' seem to post a link to a certain blogging website, if you go to my front page on ARRSE, click 'about me' and you can find a link there via my signature block. View Profile: jim30 - The Army Rumour Service
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From: Lincoln
May I suggest that most of us South of the border don't give a stuff about the Scots leaving the Union, especially if it means no more Scots MPs voting on English matters, no more £1600 per head subsidy for each Scot from our taxes and, most importantly, the many advocates of 'Bonny Scotland' in the military sodding off back up there to enjoy its many merits!
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From: Europe
There's an epetition (or rather its been submitted for approval) on the Government petition website for a Referendum in England about leaving the United Kingdom.
Scotland is not a colony, it's a member of the UK, just like England. And England has exactly the same right to leave as Scotland. So let's forget about what the Scots want, and think instead about what the English want.
If England leaves the UK, the UK is no more, obviously. What the Scots then do is up to them, but the cash flow from Westminster stops, all English defence spending comes back to England etc etc.There's no more reason to sustain Scotland than there has been to sustain Ireland since its independence.
And, of course, if Scotland leaves the UK as the SNP is planning, they are unlikely to give a toss about what happens to England.
Wales could go independent as well, or unite with England IF the English consent to that in a referendum. I would for unity with Wales, but only on the strict understanding that the flow of English funds for Welsh extravagance ceases.
Scotland is not a colony, it's a member of the UK, just like England. And England has exactly the same right to leave as Scotland. So let's forget about what the Scots want, and think instead about what the English want.
If England leaves the UK, the UK is no more, obviously. What the Scots then do is up to them, but the cash flow from Westminster stops, all English defence spending comes back to England etc etc.There's no more reason to sustain Scotland than there has been to sustain Ireland since its independence.
And, of course, if Scotland leaves the UK as the SNP is planning, they are unlikely to give a toss about what happens to England.
Wales could go independent as well, or unite with England IF the English consent to that in a referendum. I would for unity with Wales, but only on the strict understanding that the flow of English funds for Welsh extravagance ceases.
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Jimlad1,
I found your thoughts in your blog very interesting and I think, for the most part, I concur. Or I woud if I were a bit more interested in the whole affair. Well written, anyway, even if some here disagree.
For the Scots here, I don't think you can transfer regiments, squadrons or ships' crews to a foreign force without all the people concened resigning and the officers revoking their Queen's commisions first. It could only be done on a volunteer AND nationality basis, so that makes the situation in your analysis even more complex.
If Mr Salmond thinks he can pick and choose what he wants from the sweet shop when Scotland deserts the Union, I suspect he might be in for a nasty surprise.
Who says that members of a foreign country will even be allowed to work here? And before you mention EU rules, Scotland isn't even a member, is it? I thought the UK was. I do hope they are let in when they are in a position to apply. Looking at, for example, the Czech Republic (I think the most recent or one of the most recent members) it took a fair number of years between signing up and full memebership. While Scotland is in that hole, let's hope the UK is generous enough to overlook some of the rules.
EDIT: Will the Free Scottish Nation be paying for the collection of all the UK Passports held by Scots and the deportation of all the new illegal immigrants or will that fall to the remaining UK tax payers?
I found your thoughts in your blog very interesting and I think, for the most part, I concur. Or I woud if I were a bit more interested in the whole affair. Well written, anyway, even if some here disagree.
For the Scots here, I don't think you can transfer regiments, squadrons or ships' crews to a foreign force without all the people concened resigning and the officers revoking their Queen's commisions first. It could only be done on a volunteer AND nationality basis, so that makes the situation in your analysis even more complex.
If Mr Salmond thinks he can pick and choose what he wants from the sweet shop when Scotland deserts the Union, I suspect he might be in for a nasty surprise.
Who says that members of a foreign country will even be allowed to work here? And before you mention EU rules, Scotland isn't even a member, is it? I thought the UK was. I do hope they are let in when they are in a position to apply. Looking at, for example, the Czech Republic (I think the most recent or one of the most recent members) it took a fair number of years between signing up and full memebership. While Scotland is in that hole, let's hope the UK is generous enough to overlook some of the rules.
EDIT: Will the Free Scottish Nation be paying for the collection of all the UK Passports held by Scots and the deportation of all the new illegal immigrants or will that fall to the remaining UK tax payers?
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