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S-D - I'm well aware of the power of rumour.
Furthermore the strip of concrete doesn't know who it belongs to.
I think some of you are making the mistake of taking salad-dodger seriously (to be fair to him he did drop quite a few hints along the way) ....
When he says don't believe all you read, did it ever occur to you that he might be talking about his own work?
When he says don't believe all you read, did it ever occur to you that he might be talking about his own work?
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I have a further update. The RAF have been talking to the good people at the Oxford English Dictionary - looking to have the word 'gullible' removed from the next update to the dictionary!
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I can't believe how S-D managed to get all this highly confidential material - and publish on an internet rumour forum. After all, he/she is only 12!
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By the way, we only need 18; and they will all be based at Lossiemouth.
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By the way, we only need 18; and they will all be based at Lossiemouth.
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Well, here's another rumour to throw into the mill. I was asking one of the mission system designers about this today and was told that some RAF guys had been over to have a look at the CASA's, but he didn't know more than that. It suggests to me that someone, somewhere must be at least considering rethinking the UK's MPA requirement.
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Well, here's another rumour to throw into the mill. I was asking one of the mission system designers about this today and was told that some RAF guys had been over to have a look at the CASA's, but he didn't know more than that. It suggests to me that someone, somewhere must be at least considering rethinking the UK's MPA requirement.
I was asking one of the mission system designers about this today and was told that some RAF guys had been over to have a look at the CASA's...
Don't forget that mañana is far too urgent a concept for many of them!
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Originally Posted by BEagle
Since the Spanish cannot even get the A330MRTT AAR mission system to work, what hope is there for their prowess in designing something as demanding as an MPA mission system?
From Australian Aviation online today...
Urena also said Airbus Military had yet to receive a response from the Australian government on its unsolicited proposal to convert a sixth A330 into a KC-30 for the RAAF with Qantas Defence at Brisbane, which would keep the conversion line open ahead of potential future work for other A330 MRTT customers.
“This offer is still on the table, but unfortunately by the end of the month we [begin to] shut down the Qantas Defence [conversion activity], we are going to finalise how we are going to finish aircraft number five, and then unfortunately those capabilities are going to be lost,” he said.
“We have never got an answer from the Australian government … [but] every country has the sovereign right to say something or to say nothing, so [I make] no criticism of that, [I have] no opposition to how they acted.”
“This offer is still on the table, but unfortunately by the end of the month we [begin to] shut down the Qantas Defence [conversion activity], we are going to finalise how we are going to finish aircraft number five, and then unfortunately those capabilities are going to be lost,” he said.
“We have never got an answer from the Australian government … [but] every country has the sovereign right to say something or to say nothing, so [I make] no criticism of that, [I have] no opposition to how they acted.”
What he didn't mention is that Qantas owns the conversion facility, NOT Airbus, and Qantas are rightly pissed off with Urena's threats.
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Egdg - you sound bitter? Didn't you get selected for seed corn? Bless
And I think you need a reality check to see how far GBP 22M will go to 'manage a fleet of cheap aircraft'. And whilst we are at it, why the RN to operate them?
And I think you need a reality check to see how far GBP 22M will go to 'manage a fleet of cheap aircraft'. And whilst we are at it, why the RN to operate them?
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EGDG what make you such an expert on LRMPA?
Why do you think the WAFUs would be better at it than the Light Blue when thay have bugger all experience with it?
Why do you think the WAFUs would be better at it than the Light Blue when thay have bugger all experience with it?
He's a govt stooge.....divide and rule and all that. The attitude he displays is what 'they' want so we infight and all become weaker instead of joinig together to become stronger. Shame on you.
Why are we still thinking single service on anything? Joint operations would bring the best from all, surely?
Why are we still thinking single service on anything? Joint operations would bring the best from all, surely?
The RN could manage a fleet of cheap aircraft to patrol the shores for less than £22 M a year,
Egdg's language and tone have immaturity and bitterness written throughout and clearly looks like a seedcorn applicant who failed at the first hurdle. As a 23 year old, he probably qualifies as an expert on school dinners and that's about it.
JAJ has a good point though about a future MMA (Multi Mission Aircraft which includes MPA capability) Sqn being joint. A mix of light and dark blue would certainly be best placed to fully exploit it's potential.
JAJ has a good point though about a future MMA (Multi Mission Aircraft which includes MPA capability) Sqn being joint. A mix of light and dark blue would certainly be best placed to fully exploit it's potential.
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Good on the Seedcorn guys if they are having a nice time. It's the good times we have that remind us why we joined in the first place.
And- egdg lovie-I wouldn't exactly call it over for the RAF guys in Pax River, Jax, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Damneck (for christs sake), the MAOC, DSTL and attached to industry (ultra, general dynamics, BAEs, Boeing etc).
Finally, however unlikely, IF a decision is taken to acquire an MPA capability, it will be the RAF chaps who fly the planes and no amount of trolling on pprune will change that...I would bet your pension on it.
And- egdg lovie-I wouldn't exactly call it over for the RAF guys in Pax River, Jax, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Damneck (for christs sake), the MAOC, DSTL and attached to industry (ultra, general dynamics, BAEs, Boeing etc).
Finally, however unlikely, IF a decision is taken to acquire an MPA capability, it will be the RAF chaps who fly the planes and no amount of trolling on pprune will change that...I would bet your pension on it.
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Apart from historical precedent (which is a pretty lame argument) and hysterical my toy box syndrome, I can see no logical reason why the RAF should own and operate LRMP aircraft instead of the RN. The opportunity exists now, for admittedly very unpalatable reasons, to start again with a clean slate. For God's sake let us take that opportunity. Control, defence and overwatch of the maritime environment (aka oggin) belongs primarily to the navy. It is their environment. I speak as an old, wise Pongo with no axe to grind. Trust me!