Permanent US Base in Oz?
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"Not to mention the irritating proposed sale of uranium to India"
Are you saying it was irritating to Bob Brown or yourself ?
I just read it that you didn't like the idea of selling Uranium to India
hence the question.
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"Not to mention the irritating proposed sale of uranium to India"
Are you saying it was irritating to Bob Brown or yourself ?
I just read it that you didn't like the idea of selling Uranium to India
hence the question.
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Time for everyone in Oz to dust off 'On the Beach' by Nevil Shute and refamiliarise themselves with our strategic importance in a nuclear age. Good idea also to sell uranium to India. Control the market and you can contain the threat (as in Pakistan). As for Yank bases on Oz soil, go for it. We need to increase our population density in the north and there is nothing like some randy Yank marines to do this. Obviously the Obama Administration understood there was no use having a base in Canberra because the who bloody town seems to be full of gays.
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I've seen these mentioned
FA18
B52
Some sort of Air to Air refueling
C17
Harriers
at RAAF Tindal (once they extend the facilities) which probably also means a few at Darwin Airport occasionally which will be good to see.
Nothing like being on a commercial jet and having to wait for the Hornet's to take off or land.
FA18
B52
Some sort of Air to Air refueling
C17
Harriers
at RAAF Tindal (once they extend the facilities) which probably also means a few at Darwin Airport occasionally which will be good to see.
Nothing like being on a commercial jet and having to wait for the Hornet's to take off or land.
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To be honest, I think the reporting is a bit all over the place at the moment as I have seen quite a few different things.
Like, you can add C130 to the list of Air assets.
Anyway, here is a reasonable summary although some things they have said are the opposite to what has been reported elsewhere - like what is permanent and what is TDY.
I am sure it will call come out in the wash once the hype of Obama being here has gone.
US Marines and warplanes operating in the Northern Territory, and warships and submarines using a West Australian naval base, will constitute a permanently increased military presence in Australia.
The marines, who will arrive early next year and number 2500 by 2016-17, will spend six months of every year in Australia. They will train alongside Australian forces and, for the first time, undergo training exercises of their own.
The build-up will be additional to the frequent joint training exercises already conducted between Australian and visiting US forces, such as the biennial Operation Talisman Sabre which this year involved more than 14,000 US troops ............
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Starting early next year, 250 US marines will come to Darwin and spend each dry season camped and performing exercises at the nearby Bradshaw Field training area.
By 2014, the number of marines will be 1000 and by 2016-17, there will be 2500 coming each year for six months. They will be rotated through from other US Pacific bases and belong to a Marine Air-Ground Task Force.
As well as training, the marines will be available for humanitarian and disaster relief.
Once at full strength, each task force will comprise a command element, ground combat troops, logistics and an aviation combat component that will include helicopters such as Black Hawks, Cobras, Hueys and possibly Harrier jump jets.
The second element of the build-up will involve an increase in visits of US warplanes through the Tindal air force base which will need to be expanded.
While US B-52 bombers regularly train in the Territory, over the next two years there will be increased visits of other aircraft including fighters, refuellers, spy planes and transporters.
The third element will involve US ships and submarines operating out of the Stirling naval base, south of Perth. No time has been set for this to start. The ships and submarines can be nuclear powered but not nuclear armed.
To be honest, I think the reporting is a bit all over the place at the moment as I have seen quite a few different things.
Like, you can add C130 to the list of Air assets.
Anyway, here is a reasonable summary although some things they have said are the opposite to what has been reported elsewhere - like what is permanent and what is TDY.
I am sure it will call come out in the wash once the hype of Obama being here has gone.
US Marines and warplanes operating in the Northern Territory, and warships and submarines using a West Australian naval base, will constitute a permanently increased military presence in Australia.
The marines, who will arrive early next year and number 2500 by 2016-17, will spend six months of every year in Australia. They will train alongside Australian forces and, for the first time, undergo training exercises of their own.
The build-up will be additional to the frequent joint training exercises already conducted between Australian and visiting US forces, such as the biennial Operation Talisman Sabre which this year involved more than 14,000 US troops ............
............
Starting early next year, 250 US marines will come to Darwin and spend each dry season camped and performing exercises at the nearby Bradshaw Field training area.
By 2014, the number of marines will be 1000 and by 2016-17, there will be 2500 coming each year for six months. They will be rotated through from other US Pacific bases and belong to a Marine Air-Ground Task Force.
As well as training, the marines will be available for humanitarian and disaster relief.
Once at full strength, each task force will comprise a command element, ground combat troops, logistics and an aviation combat component that will include helicopters such as Black Hawks, Cobras, Hueys and possibly Harrier jump jets.
The second element of the build-up will involve an increase in visits of US warplanes through the Tindal air force base which will need to be expanded.
While US B-52 bombers regularly train in the Territory, over the next two years there will be increased visits of other aircraft including fighters, refuellers, spy planes and transporters.
The third element will involve US ships and submarines operating out of the Stirling naval base, south of Perth. No time has been set for this to start. The ships and submarines can be nuclear powered but not nuclear armed.
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The ships and submarines can be nuclear powered but not nuclear armed.
Keep that to yourself man, or Bob will have a hissy fit!!!
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I'm trying to imagine how loud the screams - and how huge the demonstrations - would have been if it had been Tony Abbott who had announced exactly what Juliar Gillard has just lobbed on the Australian populace without one minute of debate in Parliament. I never thought I'd ever find myself agreeing on anything with Bob Brown, but in this case, he has a point. (Not that I'd be on the same side of the debate with Brown if it was held.)
I was listening to the ABC (AM programme) this morning and actually felt pity for the poor ABC reporter as he tried manfully not to burst into tears at not having Tony Abbott to "blame" for the US forces coming to Australia.
I wonder what was in the briefing Juliar received from the Yanks (or how truly unpleasant the alternatives were that were painted for her) that led her to this decision and the decision to back the sale of uranium to India? Pretty nasty alternatives, I'm assuming.
I was listening to the ABC (AM programme) this morning and actually felt pity for the poor ABC reporter as he tried manfully not to burst into tears at not having Tony Abbott to "blame" for the US forces coming to Australia.
I wonder what was in the briefing Juliar received from the Yanks (or how truly unpleasant the alternatives were that were painted for her) that led her to this decision and the decision to back the sale of uranium to India? Pretty nasty alternatives, I'm assuming.
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I missed AM this morning.
"felt pity for the poor ABC reporter as he tried manfully not to burst into tears at not having Tony Abbott to "blame" for the US forces coming to Australia."
Oh dear, the poor old ABC would have found it hard to even do a story.
Re uranium to India. it has been on the Agenda for a while, politics just got in the way of changing it. I reckon a pay off to BHP / the other miners for the other tax.
I thought Abbott gets the same / similar briefings.
That's what the media hate about all Defence, it tends to be so bi partisan.
"felt pity for the poor ABC reporter as he tried manfully not to burst into tears at not having Tony Abbott to "blame" for the US forces coming to Australia."
Oh dear, the poor old ABC would have found it hard to even do a story.
Re uranium to India. it has been on the Agenda for a while, politics just got in the way of changing it. I reckon a pay off to BHP / the other miners for the other tax.
I thought Abbott gets the same / similar briefings.
That's what the media hate about all Defence, it tends to be so bi partisan.
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I wonder what was in the briefing Juliar received from the Yanks (or how truly unpleasant the alternatives were that were painted for her) that led her to this decision and the decision to back the sale of uranium to India? Pretty nasty alternatives, I'm assuming.
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I wonder when the latest visit from a Royal Navy Trafalger Sub to Perth was? They seemed to be sunning them selves in Gage Roads every year or so without a peep from the Greens.
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This morning, Ray Hadley on Sydney's 2GB is repeatedly playing an old 60s wailer song in honour of Krudd: "It shoulda bin me!"
I suspect that by Monday, someone will have Photoshopped a Crocodile Dundee-sized knife into Gillard's hand in the photograph above. (And probably posted it here.
) Then Hadley could change the song for Krudd to "Ah've bin thar before."
I suspect that by Monday, someone will have Photoshopped a Crocodile Dundee-sized knife into Gillard's hand in the photograph above. (And probably posted it here.
) Then Hadley could change the song for Krudd to "Ah've bin thar before."
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Re "Quite a special relationship developing here."
Are you talking in general between Aust and the US
or between Obama and Julia ?
The Age had a good article on the Kevin Rudd would have been really peed off over the last 2 days over this.
I do think people in the world forget the history of the relationship
- 60 years of ANZUS, Darwin Bombing, how many troops
were here in WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Troops training over here and the fact that we have Pine Gap, Exmouth and a few other US bits and pieces installed in our back yard and have had for a long time.
And the ships seem to like visiting here as well.
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Re "Quite a special relationship developing here."
Are you talking in general between Aust and the US
or between Obama and Julia ?
The Age had a good article on the Kevin Rudd would have been really peed off over the last 2 days over this.
I do think people in the world forget the history of the relationship
- 60 years of ANZUS, Darwin Bombing, how many troops
were here in WWII, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Troops training over here and the fact that we have Pine Gap, Exmouth and a few other US bits and pieces installed in our back yard and have had for a long time.
And the ships seem to like visiting here as well.
.
